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I just want to post this arguement and see what people have to say. I dont think this is inappropriate to post, so hopefully it wont get locked. I ended up getting blocked.
Pro: do you still think guns should be banned
Anti: yes
Anti: most of them
Pro: why
Anti: there is not purpose for them
Pro: self defense?
Pro: to protect your family
Pro: yourself?
Anti: from what
Pro: other people
Pro: rapists
Anti: that won't have guns
Pro: criminals wouldnt have guns?
Pro: they and the law enforcement would be the onyl ones who had them
Anti: we create criminals by making gun access so easy
Pro: but rapists could easily overpwoer a women without a gun
Pro: and criminals are made because of they way they are raised
Anti: hey i am just saying
Anti: japan
Anti: no guns
Anti: violence little
Anti: canada more gun control
Anti: violence
Anti: little
Anti: us
Pro: what about switzerland and finland
Pro: barely any gun control
Pro: very very little crime
Pro: and what about the UK
Anti: hold up
Pro: guns banned
Pro: higher crime
Pro wants to directly connect.
Anti is now directly connected.
Pro: i have graphs
Pro: switzerland at the bottom
Anti: dude
Anti: let me talk for a second
Pro: if people are raised around guns, and taught the right way, then people will be responsable with them
Pro: ok
Anti: i partially agree to that but
Anti: both finland and swizterland have some of the highest GDP per capita
Anti: as well as A large middle class
Anti: and a very small middle class
Anti: the lack of crime is not due to gun control
Anti: it is due to their economic status
Anti: people in finland switzerland have no need for crime
Pro: why is that
Anti: because
Anti: they have a sick economy
Pro: so its a coincidence?
Anti: most people can make all the money they need legally
Pro: what about the UK?
Pro: crime has spiked
Anti: yea
Pro: after the banning of guns
Anti: no
Pro: yes
Anti: no
Anti: crime spiked
Anti: because their economy was going down the tubes
Anti: totally unrelated
Pro: no way
Anti: yes
Anti: your taking apples and trying to make them look like oranges
Pro: so thats a coincidence too?
Pro: the same year they were banned, crime rate went up
Anti: no
Anti: the same year crime went up
Anti: UK backed the US up on the war in iraq
Anti: which pretty much pissed off everyone in the UK
Anti: not to mention
Anti: they had a huge stock market crash
Anti: joined the EU
Anti: as in the money system
Anti: they were part of the commonwealth and EU long before
Anti: but not the money system
Pro: so things like the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust were a coincidence too
Pro: they happened for strange reasons
Pro: if any of those citizens had guns, they would most likely be living
Anti: no
Pro: look at this
Pro: http://www.mouseguns.com/whyown/whyown.htm
Anti: dude
Anti: if those people had guns
Anti: it would have not been genocide
Anti: it would have been a mass civil war
Anti: guns don't stop violence
Anti: they just perpetuate it
Anti: maybe change who gets killed and who does the killing
Anti: guns just make it easier to kill
Pro: and with only criminals having guns, killing civilians would be easier
Anti: ok
Anti: criminals
Anti: the criminals you are talking about
Anti: are gonna kill
Anti: no matter what
Anti: whether other people have guns or not
Anti: most criminals in the United states
Anti: are like gangsters
Anti: and ****
Pro: and if civilians have guns, they can protect themselves legally
Anti: they are people that tweaked out grabbed a gun and didn't think about what they were doing
Anti: NOOOO
Pro: why no
Anti: because
Pro: theres no such thing as self defense?
Anti: there is
Pro: criminals will have guns no matter what, and civilians can either have guns or not
Pro: depending on laws
Pro: if civilians dont have guns, then criminals will be very happy
Pro: it wopuld be easier to attack people, rob them
Pro: loot houses
Pro: rape women
Anti: dude
Pro: if you were a rapist
Pro: woudnt you rather have your target be unarmed
Pro: there would be so many more rapists
Anti: no
Anti: your thinking about it the wrong way
Anti: your thinking about it backwards
Pro: how so
Anti: most rapists and criminals like that
Anti: make bad choices
Anti: let me ask u a question
Pro: yep
Anti: is it easier to A rob a covenient store or rape a woman with or without a gun
Pro: rob a store
Anti: no
Anti: thats not what i am asking
Anti: would it be easier to do both with or without a gun
Pro: with
Anti: ok
Anti: now wait
Anti: most people that rob convenient stores are below the poverty line
Pro: and cannot afford guns
Anti: its not like are hardcore gangsters
Anti: part of some organized gun smuggling agency
Anti: they may need some money
Anti: and have a gun lieing around
Anti: and say lets go shoot up a convenient store
Anti: and most rape for your information
Anti: occurs between people that know one another
Anti: and is more of a white collar crime
Anti: and usually is done without a gun
Pro: but there is still times when it happens between complete strangers
Anti: your right
Anti: u know what
Pro: and in either situation, a gun can easily stop the crim e from happening
Anti: i will drop u off in northwest philly
Anti: see how u like it there
Anti: see if u can last a couple days
Anti: u tell me what u think of guns then
Pro: you wouldnt be able to do that, because i own guns
Pro: and i could easily get by without pissing people off
Anti: o so you might kill some one right
Anti: if they came out
Pro: no
Anti: came at you
Pro: with a weapon yes
Pro: but i wouldnt let myself get in a situation like that
Anti: no i am saying i would put u in a situation like that
Pro: you cant go wandering the ghetto at night
Pro: ok if you did
Pro: i would use lethal force to protect my life
Anti: and thats exactly why we don't need weapons, because they are too easy to obtain
Anti: you don't want a bunch of people in the ghetto to have guns
Pro: you understand
Anti: you don't want a bunch of white kids in colorado to have guns
Pro: that people convicted of a felony
Pro: cant get guns legally
Anti: your right
Pro: and those who have been
Pro: will get them illegally
Pro: banning guns wont stop that
Anti: dude
Anti: there are soooooooooooooo many ****in guns in the us
Pro: right
Anti: its not hard to get them illegally
Pro: how would you get rid of them all?
Pro: impossbile
Anti: if we totally ban them
Anti: your right
Anti: i agree
Anti: but getting rid of most of them is best for society
Pro: and you know that how
Pro: japan already had almost a gun free society
Anti: because having a gun allows people to take the horrible brutality of killing out of killing
Pro: banning guns wont stop that
Pro: and it also allows people to defend themselves
Anti: to kill more people
Pro: right, to kill the criminal scum
Anti: u live in a video game bro
Anti: i am sorry
Pro: most criminals are repeat offenders
Anti: i can't talk with you anymore
Pro: and will always own guns
Pro: and will always be violent
Pro: if he comes at you
Pro: how would you defend yourself without a gun
Anti: you no what ryan
Pro: you have no answer?
Anti: i don't think i would ever have that problem
Pro: lets hope not
Anti: no
Anti: i know not
Pro: because you would be in big trouble
Pro: you dont know anything
Pro: you dont know the future
Pro: and what could happen
Anti: your right
Pro: if it did, you would be very hurt, or very dead
Anti: but i do know a world with less guns means less chances to pull the trigger
Anti: and less chances for people to make mistakes they will regret for the rest of your life
Pro: i do do know that it is a human right to defend yourself
Pro: and i also know that its a constitutional right
Anti: whether banning guns is the way to go i don't know
Pro: and training will elminate many mistakes
Anti: o my ****in god
Pro: in the genocide situation
Pro: would you rather die
Pro: or fight back
Anti: ***
Anti: i can't listen to this **** anymore
Pro: i woudl rather fight back and not die a horrible death
Anti: sorry
Anti: ok
Anti: and live like iraq
Anti: complete civil war
Anti: with gun control
Anti: done correctly
Anti: there wouldn't be a genocide situation
Anti: so that doesn't even work
Pro: maybe not in iraq
Pro: because almost everyone is armed
Pro: people are too scared to attack eachother
Anti: no
Pro: unless they are willing to die
Anti: they ****in shoooot the **** out of each other
Pro: most want to die as a hero
Anti: ryan
Pro: iraq isnt a good place and we cant focus on just that country
Anti: i seriously can't listen to this
Pro: its a human right to be able to defend yourself
Anti: we can't focus on any other country
Pro: if you want to live as a slave to the government you can
Pro: im keeping my guns
Anti: cause all of them are in a different situation then america
Anti: i am saying there is no ****in reason for semi automatics and sniper rifles
Pro: in america, the armed and ready people will survive to the end
Anti: thats why america sucks dick
Pro: so you would rather defend yourself on the streets with a bolt action
Pro: what if you miss?
Anti direct connection is closed.
Anti signed off at 10:37:37 PM.
Pro: do you still think guns should be banned
Anti: yes
Anti: most of them
Pro: why
Anti: there is not purpose for them
Pro: self defense?
Pro: to protect your family
Pro: yourself?
Anti: from what
Pro: other people
Pro: rapists
Anti: that won't have guns
Pro: criminals wouldnt have guns?
Pro: they and the law enforcement would be the onyl ones who had them
Anti: we create criminals by making gun access so easy
Pro: but rapists could easily overpwoer a women without a gun
Pro: and criminals are made because of they way they are raised
Anti: hey i am just saying
Anti: japan
Anti: no guns
Anti: violence little
Anti: canada more gun control
Anti: violence
Anti: little
Anti: us
Pro: what about switzerland and finland
Pro: barely any gun control
Pro: very very little crime
Pro: and what about the UK
Anti: hold up
Pro: guns banned
Pro: higher crime
Pro wants to directly connect.
Anti is now directly connected.
Pro: i have graphs
Pro: switzerland at the bottom
Anti: dude
Anti: let me talk for a second
Pro: if people are raised around guns, and taught the right way, then people will be responsable with them
Pro: ok
Anti: i partially agree to that but
Anti: both finland and swizterland have some of the highest GDP per capita
Anti: as well as A large middle class
Anti: and a very small middle class
Anti: the lack of crime is not due to gun control
Anti: it is due to their economic status
Anti: people in finland switzerland have no need for crime
Pro: why is that
Anti: because
Anti: they have a sick economy
Pro: so its a coincidence?
Anti: most people can make all the money they need legally
Pro: what about the UK?
Pro: crime has spiked
Anti: yea
Pro: after the banning of guns
Anti: no
Pro: yes
Anti: no
Anti: crime spiked
Anti: because their economy was going down the tubes
Anti: totally unrelated
Pro: no way
Anti: yes
Anti: your taking apples and trying to make them look like oranges
Pro: so thats a coincidence too?
Pro: the same year they were banned, crime rate went up
Anti: no
Anti: the same year crime went up
Anti: UK backed the US up on the war in iraq
Anti: which pretty much pissed off everyone in the UK
Anti: not to mention
Anti: they had a huge stock market crash
Anti: joined the EU
Anti: as in the money system
Anti: they were part of the commonwealth and EU long before
Anti: but not the money system
Pro: so things like the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust were a coincidence too
Pro: they happened for strange reasons
Pro: if any of those citizens had guns, they would most likely be living
Anti: no
Pro: look at this
Pro: http://www.mouseguns.com/whyown/whyown.htm
Anti: dude
Anti: if those people had guns
Anti: it would have not been genocide
Anti: it would have been a mass civil war
Anti: guns don't stop violence
Anti: they just perpetuate it
Anti: maybe change who gets killed and who does the killing
Anti: guns just make it easier to kill
Pro: and with only criminals having guns, killing civilians would be easier
Anti: ok
Anti: criminals
Anti: the criminals you are talking about
Anti: are gonna kill
Anti: no matter what
Anti: whether other people have guns or not
Anti: most criminals in the United states
Anti: are like gangsters
Anti: and ****
Pro: and if civilians have guns, they can protect themselves legally
Anti: they are people that tweaked out grabbed a gun and didn't think about what they were doing
Anti: NOOOO
Pro: why no
Anti: because
Pro: theres no such thing as self defense?
Anti: there is
Pro: criminals will have guns no matter what, and civilians can either have guns or not
Pro: depending on laws
Pro: if civilians dont have guns, then criminals will be very happy
Pro: it wopuld be easier to attack people, rob them
Pro: loot houses
Pro: rape women
Anti: dude
Pro: if you were a rapist
Pro: woudnt you rather have your target be unarmed
Pro: there would be so many more rapists
Anti: no
Anti: your thinking about it the wrong way
Anti: your thinking about it backwards
Pro: how so
Anti: most rapists and criminals like that
Anti: make bad choices
Anti: let me ask u a question
Pro: yep
Anti: is it easier to A rob a covenient store or rape a woman with or without a gun
Pro: rob a store
Anti: no
Anti: thats not what i am asking
Anti: would it be easier to do both with or without a gun
Pro: with
Anti: ok
Anti: now wait
Anti: most people that rob convenient stores are below the poverty line
Pro: and cannot afford guns
Anti: its not like are hardcore gangsters
Anti: part of some organized gun smuggling agency
Anti: they may need some money
Anti: and have a gun lieing around
Anti: and say lets go shoot up a convenient store
Anti: and most rape for your information
Anti: occurs between people that know one another
Anti: and is more of a white collar crime
Anti: and usually is done without a gun
Pro: but there is still times when it happens between complete strangers
Anti: your right
Anti: u know what
Pro: and in either situation, a gun can easily stop the crim e from happening
Anti: i will drop u off in northwest philly
Anti: see how u like it there
Anti: see if u can last a couple days
Anti: u tell me what u think of guns then
Pro: you wouldnt be able to do that, because i own guns
Pro: and i could easily get by without pissing people off
Anti: o so you might kill some one right
Anti: if they came out
Pro: no
Anti: came at you
Pro: with a weapon yes
Pro: but i wouldnt let myself get in a situation like that
Anti: no i am saying i would put u in a situation like that
Pro: you cant go wandering the ghetto at night
Pro: ok if you did
Pro: i would use lethal force to protect my life
Anti: and thats exactly why we don't need weapons, because they are too easy to obtain
Anti: you don't want a bunch of people in the ghetto to have guns
Pro: you understand
Anti: you don't want a bunch of white kids in colorado to have guns
Pro: that people convicted of a felony
Pro: cant get guns legally
Anti: your right
Pro: and those who have been
Pro: will get them illegally
Pro: banning guns wont stop that
Anti: dude
Anti: there are soooooooooooooo many ****in guns in the us
Pro: right
Anti: its not hard to get them illegally
Pro: how would you get rid of them all?
Pro: impossbile
Anti: if we totally ban them
Anti: your right
Anti: i agree
Anti: but getting rid of most of them is best for society
Pro: and you know that how
Pro: japan already had almost a gun free society
Anti: because having a gun allows people to take the horrible brutality of killing out of killing
Pro: banning guns wont stop that
Pro: and it also allows people to defend themselves
Anti: to kill more people
Pro: right, to kill the criminal scum
Anti: u live in a video game bro
Anti: i am sorry
Pro: most criminals are repeat offenders
Anti: i can't talk with you anymore
Pro: and will always own guns
Pro: and will always be violent
Pro: if he comes at you
Pro: how would you defend yourself without a gun
Anti: you no what ryan
Pro: you have no answer?
Anti: i don't think i would ever have that problem
Pro: lets hope not
Anti: no
Anti: i know not
Pro: because you would be in big trouble
Pro: you dont know anything
Pro: you dont know the future
Pro: and what could happen
Anti: your right
Pro: if it did, you would be very hurt, or very dead
Anti: but i do know a world with less guns means less chances to pull the trigger
Anti: and less chances for people to make mistakes they will regret for the rest of your life
Pro: i do do know that it is a human right to defend yourself
Pro: and i also know that its a constitutional right
Anti: whether banning guns is the way to go i don't know
Pro: and training will elminate many mistakes
Anti: o my ****in god
Pro: in the genocide situation
Pro: would you rather die
Pro: or fight back
Anti: ***
Anti: i can't listen to this **** anymore
Pro: i woudl rather fight back and not die a horrible death
Anti: sorry
Anti: ok
Anti: and live like iraq
Anti: complete civil war
Anti: with gun control
Anti: done correctly
Anti: there wouldn't be a genocide situation
Anti: so that doesn't even work
Pro: maybe not in iraq
Pro: because almost everyone is armed
Pro: people are too scared to attack eachother
Anti: no
Pro: unless they are willing to die
Anti: they ****in shoooot the **** out of each other
Pro: most want to die as a hero
Anti: ryan
Pro: iraq isnt a good place and we cant focus on just that country
Anti: i seriously can't listen to this
Pro: its a human right to be able to defend yourself
Anti: we can't focus on any other country
Pro: if you want to live as a slave to the government you can
Pro: im keeping my guns
Anti: cause all of them are in a different situation then america
Anti: i am saying there is no ****in reason for semi automatics and sniper rifles
Pro: in america, the armed and ready people will survive to the end
Anti: thats why america sucks dick
Pro: so you would rather defend yourself on the streets with a bolt action
Pro: what if you miss?
Anti direct connection is closed.
Anti signed off at 10:37:37 PM.