Pro gun argument Do you think a world without guns or civilian guns is scary?

[Johnnycome]

I think there would be a huge amount of suffering from maimed people and animals if all civilian guns miraculously disappeared.

 

[PILMAN]

The strong would rule over the weak, women would be defenseless against rapists, and we would turn into South Africa overnight.

 

[cliffy]

YES

I fully agree, but the vital answer lies within what we can do about it? Join the NRA for mere basic starters. No other organization agrees with you more. Plenty of anti-groups are prepared to stiffle your concerns and render them moot cries. If all fails, LEARN to deftly handle a really sharp butterknife to defend your loved ones. Better yet, just give in and call yourself a slave to the new omnipotent powers to be. cliffy

 

[Defensory]

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition and the will to use it, Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."

Aaron Zelman
Founder, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

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[Defensory]

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."

--Jeff Cooper

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[jordan1948]

People would just find another way to kill each other.
I believe it's been quoted that "If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."

 

[Catherine]

Yes, it would be scary without GUNS or any other TOOL to defend yourself including pitchforks!

Military = military.

CIVILIAN = NON military people and that includes peace officers aka the police.

I think that a world without TYRANTS would be a good thing. The only thing that we can do to get rid of tyrants = foreign and domestic enemies (USA) is to use GUNS and other weapons. More Guns = Less Crime here, stateside. The same goes for people 'overseas' = More Guns - Less Crime (JOHN LOTT) and for THEM to overthrow the 2 bit dictators/tyrants. It is up to them not us as a 'world cop on the beat' or someone to save the world unless you are talking about WW2 and that sort of thing.

Obviously, the old saying goes about the ballot box or the bullet/ammunition box. The BALLOT BOX does not seem to be working in many countries including our own.

People should not fear their government - the Government should FEAR their people in MY not so humble opinion.

Catherine
Armed and Female
Montana Territory

 

[Eleven Mike]

I am willing to help with the experiment.

Step 1: Give me all the fire-arms on Earth.

Step 2: Put me up in a space station, and I"ll take all the guns with me that I reasonably can. The rest will be destroyed before I blast off.

Step 3: Enjoy life down there without any guns - if you can.

Step 4: I return, with an awesome gun collection. The ONLY gun collection. In my absence, the world has figured out that guns are good. As gun manufacture ramps up again, the world begins to stock up on personal firearms, carrying them everywhere they go. Gun laws drop like flies. Violence subsides to previously unknown lows. Freedom envelops the globe. New gun technologies break all previous barriers.

And I am a hero to gun nuts everywhere.

 

[Blackbeard]

The US is a violent country. If all the guns disappeared tomorrow, we'd become ten times more violent overnight.

 

[JackBurtonJr]

A World Without Guns

 

[throdgrain]

Following on a little from the other thread, here in England there are very few handguns, and all of them owned by criminals or the Police.

So what do kids do in gang wars in London? They dont shoot each other.


They stab each other

Now the government are trying to think of ways to ban knives, which is going to make eating dinner a bit difficult ...

 

[buck00]

A few months back I caught part of "Planet of the Apes" on TV. Charlton Heston had escaped with the "good" apes from the fascist apes, and they are out in a rural area. He says "ok, give me one of those guns." The liberal, Dem type ape says something like "oh you don't need a gun, we're safe out here."

Heston, getting the rifle in his hands, says "I was captured once, I'm not going to be captured again."

That scene represents a major fundemantal difference between the left and right in the US: naive wishful thinking vs taking responsibility for your own protection/freedom.

 

[JT in VA]

The problem with a gun ban is it won't work. Look at illegal drugs. Technically they are banned banned but easily obtained by any 8th grader you know. In theory if we had no guns we would be safer, but in reality those wanting to prey on others would obtain guns or other weapons thus creating the need for others to defend themselves.

Don't believe me? Then look at the cities where guns have been the most difficult to obtain legally (LA, Chicago, NYC, DC). Still plenty of gun crime.

 

[Deanimator]

Whenever some imbecile proposes such a thing I always say:

"So what you're saying is that you want a world ruled by strong men armed with swords, axes and clubs?

We tried that.

It was called the 'Dark Ages'"

 

[ranger335v]

"Do you think a world without guns or civilian guns is scary?"

Well, would that question presuppose the world was peaceful and safe before the invention of guns?

I think Sam Colt did more to make men equal than any politicican ever did.

 

[3KillerBs]

I would be property for any man capable of taking me. Since I'm only 5'3" and not athletically gifted that means any man between 14 and 70 who is over 5 feet tall and who possesses at least 3 functioning limbs.

"So what you're saying is that you want a world ruled by strong men armed with swords, axes and clubs?

We tried that.

It was called the 'Dark Ages'"

That sums it up perfectly.

 

[green country shooter]

I'm a college teacher. I called an anti-gunner over to a window once. Down below us several extremely large football players were harassing some young women. I said, "that's who would rule the world without guns."

 

[Eleven Mike]

I would be property for any man capable of taking me. Since I'm only 5'3" and not athletically gifted that means any man between 14 and 70 who is over 5 feet tall and who possesses at least 3 functioning limbs.

Sounds like a personal ad.

 

[Archie]

The United Nations in its grand wisdom, enacted a policy to rid certain 'problem areas' of the world of privately held firearms. This was given the marvelous title of "Programme of Action on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons". What it did in practice was to outlaw and remove all small arms from private hands in several regions of Africa.

The result was wholesale murder of those now unarmed civilians at the hands of various and sundry privately funded militias - private armies - who took control of those areas.

The United Nations issued a press release praising the removal of so many firearms. They also cite the prevention of thousands of deaths - but they have to be referring to the prevention of deaths of the mercenaries.

To answer the original question directly: Yes. I find that concept very scary.

 

[NonConformist]

I already dislike the fact we have to ask to excercise right and jump through hoops so an unarmed society terrifies me

 

[Hook686]

The sad thing I recall is, "It is the victors who write history." -- General Burgoyne after battle of Saratoga during the American Revolution.

I have noted it is the side that has the most firepower that was right in its behavior.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition and the will to use it, Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."

Aaron Zelman
Founder, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

I tried that logic on an anti-gun type, and he replied in a tone of outrage, "Don't be silly!! If the Jews had fought back, they'd have all been killed."

Riiiight. And by not fighting back, they all survived.

The moral of this story is, anti-gunners are impervious to logic, facts and history.

 

[yokel]

"If every Jewish and anti-nazi family in Germany had owned a Mauser rifle and twenty rounds of ammunition and the will to use it, Adolf Hitler would be a little-known footnote to the history of the Weimar Republic."

Aaron Zelman
Founder, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

I'm not sure i'd go that far, but it's certainly difficult to have an uprising without weapons.

If guns had been readily available, would the people have risen against their oppressors? That seems somewhat debatable. The Nazis had a great deal of popular support. Much of their campaign of intimidation involved old-fashioned strongarm tactics, not guns. Had opponents of the regime been armed, and had there been a tradition of armed resistance in Germany, the Nazis might have had a tougher time of it. But that gets us into a wildly speculative realm.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

Following on a little from the other thread, here in England there are very few handguns, and all of them owned by criminals or the Police.

So what do kids do in gang wars in London? They dont shoot each other.

They stab each other

AND they need to join gangs to defend themselves.

On a larger scale, it's called feudalism.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

If guns had been readily available, would the people have risen against their oppressors? That seems somewhat debatable.

I know someone who said it's pointless to have parachutes on aircraft "Because I would never jump."

Okay, lady, enjoy the crash. But the rest of us don't have to go down with you.

The point is, if you have a gun or a parachute, you can choose. If you do not have them, you have no choice.

To see how effective an armed Jewish uprising could have been, look at the Warsaw Ghetto. Imagine dozens of Warsaw Ghettos.