Protect Yourself? Not at Walgreens.

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This is from my blog, but I feel it's an important issue, so I'm reposting here. Please join me in my boycott against Walgreens Pharmacies and any other company who feels their employees should lay down and die like sheep. I also list contact information at the end so you can pass your feelings along to Walgreens Corporate. I pasted this article and sent it to them. Hopefully if they get enough feedback from sane gun owners, they can change their ways.

http://tokeepandbear.blogspot.com/2011/07/protect-yourself-not-at-walgreens.html

I am an NRA member, card-carrying, and I read my "American Rifleman" magazine every month. One of my favorite sections is "The Armed Citizen" so I usually head there first. Right there in the August issue I saw this snipped about a pharmacist, Jeremy Hoven, who was fired for using his legally-carried concealed weapon to defend himself, his co-workers and Walgreens' inventory from 2 armed robbers.

I followed the citation and went over to The Herald-Palladium, a newspaper up in Michigan, and they confirmed the same facts. The original article can be found here:
http://www.heraldpalladium.com/articles/2011/07/21/local_news/5741185.txt

The synopsis is this. The store was robbed by gunmen. Employees complained to Walgreens management that they needed better security at the store. Walgreens ignored these complaints, so Hoven went and got his concealed carry license and a pistol. The next time the store was robbed, Hoven picked his moment. When the robbers tried to coerce the employees into the back room of the store (a tactic that often leads to execution), Hoven fired on the robbers. The robbers fled, no employee was harmed, the police arrived and made their report and no charges were filed against Hoven. So Walgreens fired him because he violated company policy by carrying a firearm to work.

WALGREENS: This is not acceptable. It is despicable. If you don't want employees to carry a weapon to work so they can defend themselves, then you, Walgreens, are responsible for hiring armed security to protect them. Mr. Hoven broke no law when he carried that weapon, and not only did he protect himself and his coworkers from harm, he also protected your precious cash. You are despicable backstabbers who would rather see your own employees die than violate your company policy. This is truly a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

I will not set foot on Walgreens property again until you extend an apology to Mr. Hoven, offer to give him his job back, and change your policy to allow your employees to carry concealed weapons where legal. I will also use any means at my disposal to promote a boycott against you and to promote any and all of your competitors until these demands are met.


Walgreens customer service can be reached via the following means (please be sure to share your opinions with them, I know I will):

Web:
http://www.walgreens.com/marketing/...ther service&h3=Corporate&h4=consumer
Phone: toll-free (800) 925-4733
7:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Central Time, Monday thru Friday
Address: Walgreen Company Consumer Relations
1411 Lake Cook Rd, Mail Stop #L428
Deerfield, IL 60015
 
While I do think that one should have the right to protect themselves anywhere, constitutional rights usually go out the door at places of employment. Employees don't have first amendment rights at work either. I think government/employers look at it as if you don't like the rules of where you work, go work somewhere else.

It does suck, though, that this employee is a hero and got fired because of it.

Just out of curiosity, what employers (other than gun stores) allow their employees to carry while at work?
 
Just out of curiosity, what employers (other than gun stores) allow their employees to carry while at work?

That's where we get lost.

"No one really allows that...right? So this is normal...right?"

That is not the point.

Walgreens could not ensure a safe work place. Then they fired a guy for protecting himself, his coworkers, and their cash.

We should not get lost in the question of whether or not other companies allow it.

We should fight so that nearly every employer does allow it.

The only exception I can think of is a correctional facility. They don't even let you keep a gun in your car in the parking lot, because an escapee could easily be armed that way. I can go that far. You accept a lot of risks in that type of job.

Most companies should not persecute us if we choose to carry at the workplace.
 
The only way it will change is if attorneys can begin to show employers are liable when they fail to protect someone after preventing them from protecting themselves. But you need injured or dead employees to pursue that, preferably some that have CCW permits, and had previously expressed the only reason they didn't carry was the policy at work.

Once it is a liability to prevent your employees from having the means of defending themselves from the most likely threats (other people with guns) then policies will begin to change.
As it is right now most corporate lawyers see employees with a gun as someone whose actions they are liable for, but whose death they are not liable for.
So a dead or injured employee is legally and financially superior to an expensive lawsuit from a criminal, injured third party, or the family of the dead or injured criminal.
The employee and their life is cheap, and they will be replaced within the week if killed. The lawsuit from an employee's use of a firearm is not cheap, and can severely eat into profits.

Employee dies: Give insincere condolences, maybe tiny benefits payout to family if required, quickly replace employee and continue business as usual.
Sued for employee's use of self defense: Spend large sums of money in court, potentially losing very large sums in awarded damages or a settlement payout.
Conclusion: Dead employees are superior to employees protecting themselves.
 
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Well, I can't supply any dead or injured employees, but I can help raise enough hell that perhaps, just maybe, they will hear the din.

They just lost me as a customer, that's for sure.
 
That's where we get lost.

"No one really allows that...right? So this is normal...right?"

That is not the point.

Walgreens could not ensure a safe work place. Then they fired a guy for protecting himself, his coworkers, and their cash.

We should not get lost in the question of whether or not other companies allow it.

We should fight so that nearly every employer does allow it.

The only exception I can think of is a correctional facility. They don't even let you keep a gun in your car in the parking lot, because an escapee could easily be armed that way. I can go that far. You accept a lot of risks in that type of job.

Most companies should not persecute us if we choose to carry at the workplace.

I would most definitely want to protect myself at work, but I do think it should be up to the individual businesses to decide whether they want to allow people to protect themselves at work. Stores like these, just like your house, are private property, and contsitutional rights don't necessarily apply. Just like you said, if somebody does not like that, they do not have to support these businesses, and if an employee does not like the rules, they can work somewhere else.
 
So we should just accept it when corporations ignore a person's right to a safe work place.

No, I'd rather send Walgreens a nasty message because their policy is messed up.

And I'd like other people to send them messages until they wise up and change their policy.

But you're right, they can make whatever stupid policy they want.

I for one am tired of anti-gunners because they don't have a leg to stand on, so I'm going to let them know it any chance I get.

And I'm taking my business elsewhere.
 
http://tokeepandbear.blogspot.com/20...walgreens.html

I am an NRA member, card-carrying, and I read my "American Rifleman" magazine every month. One of my favorite sections is "The Armed Citizen" so I usually head there first. Right there in the August issue I saw this snipped about a pharmacist, Jeremy Hoven, who was fired for using his legally-carried concealed weapon to defend himself, his co-workers and Walgreens' inventory from 2 armed robbers.

I followed the citation and went over to The Herald-Palladium, a newspaper up in Michigan, and they confirmed the same facts. The original article can be found here:
http://www.heraldpalladium.com/artic...ws/5741185.txt

Are the links not working for me????

Because, the first cited/listed link/url is for the OP's gunblog where he's the only one that mentions Walgreens -
- the other cited/listed link/url is for The South West Michigan Herald-Palladium and an article about a robbery (attempt) at Napier Gold, Silver & Diamonds.

What's their connection?

Sorry if I don't understand.

:eek:
 
This does not surprise me, companies just don't allow their employees to carry at work. If you were to boycott all places that didn't allow it, and would terminate an employee under the same circumstances you would have very few options if any for your shopping.

But I guess if you want a law enacted that would force employers to allow their workers to carry I'd be on board for that, but as mentioned, employers would have to be protected when scenarios like this turn bad.
 
Please join me in my boycott against Walgreens Pharmacies and any other company who feels their employees should lay down and die like sheep.

Seriously? You are going to have to move onto a self-sufficient Amish farm, my friend. Every major corporation has policies against employees taking defensive action against criminals.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=employee+fired+for+self+defense
 
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All I have t Say is Post office I personally am not in favor of People carring in the work place Temps Flare and Stuff happens. Atleast if they are un-armed you have a fighting chance.

In some states home invasions are looked at I guess you could say the same as a store. you shoot someone for taking money them or the family can come back after you. but for retail Stores there is alot more money involved when a rogue armed Clerk is shooting up the place or gets fired and shoots up the place.

Is it there duty to protect the workers YES higher Armed Security let them deal with it. IMO!

I would hate to be in a store at the wrong time someone decides to flip as an empoyee those are the ones when I am shopping I am not look over my shoulder for other knuckle heads I pay attention too.
 
for boycotting this store I hope you plan to make your own drugs and food and what ever else you need gas as I do believe most retail stores do not allow their Employees to Carry while working. Even a Bank for that Matter are you going to Boycott a bank becuase a teller is not allowed to pack. I never seen a post from anyone about boycotting Banks because they get robbed everyday or even better a convient store another one that gets robbed everyday! I bet you still get Gas Right!

A boycott to me is Funny. I know I wouldn't boycott for this reason but thats me personally. ( I do not shop there anyways as the prices are High and they have nothing I want)
 
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All I have t Say is Post office I personally am not in favor of People carring in the work place Temps Flare and Stuff happens. Atleast if they are un-armed you have a fighting chance.

In some states home invasions are looked at I guess you could say the same as a store. you shoot someone for taking money them or the family can come back after you. but for retail Stores there is alot more money involved when a rogue armed Clerk is shooting up the place or gets fired and shoots up the place.

Is it there duty to protect the workers YES higher Armed Security let them deal with it. IMO!

I would hate to be in a store at the wrong time someone decides to flip as an empoyee those are the ones when I am shopping I am not look over my shoulder for other knuckle heads I pay attention too.

Respectfully, your comment sounds like it came directly off a Brady Campaign advertisement. What is to keep your theory from happening in the parking lot between armed citizens over a parking spot? Or on the side of the road due to road rage? Or how about the lawfully armed customer getting pissed in the store and shooting the clerk because they can't get a refund for the two right shoes in the box instead of a right and left pair? Why limit your comments to employees and not apply it to John Q. Public in general? Should we all be disarmed for our own safety?

Let's look at the gun ban in the Post Office, shall we?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/18/postal-workers-reportedly-shot-killed-tennessee/

Didn't work very well, did it.
 
Are the links not working for me????
- the other cited/listed link/url is for The South West Michigan Herald-Palladium and an article about a robbery (attempt) at Napier Gold, Silver & Diamonds.

What's their connection?

You just didn't read far enough into the Herald-Palladium article (or ctrl-F and look for Walgreens, or the pharmacists name, or anything related).


@NavyLCDR et. all: I know things aren't going to change, at least not any time soon. Do you know what the situation of gun rights was in the 70s? In the 80s? Complaints, hard work, and legislation paid off in a big way.

I'm going to make a habit to write every company that fires an employee due to their short-sighted, anti-gun, anti-self defense policy. And I'm going to write the NRA. And then I'm going to write my legislators.

Why? Because I don't like feeling like a sitting duck while I'm walking across the parking lot to my office (similar policy, no armed guard). Do I want to get fired or robbed and killed?

That's it, I'm done harping on it with this crowd. Believe what you want. Looks like some here at The High Road are not so high. If you're content to say "that's just the way it is, you'd have to live in Amish country to avoid that," then I won't dissuade you from accepting your fate like cattle. You guys must be the hobbyists, rather than the daily CCW folks.

God bless America.
Gun Guy Out.
 
So, ColdDeadHand,

Can YOU carry a gun at work and use it for self defense? Or are you going to quit your job on Monday?

I'm not saying the employers' policies are right. I'm just sayin' I would truly like to see you boycott every company that has a no-guns policy and work for company that allows you to carry a firearm.
 
Not many at THR would disagree with the viewpoints expressed by the opening post, but unfortunately this is not a legal matter for topical discussion at this website.

Corporate policy is not law. And, as stated earlier in the thread, it is commonplace for many corporations.
 
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