Ptr 91?

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The only downside is trying to explain what kind of rifle you have to the guy next to you at the range.
 
Lol ttrap. Very true, it's aggravating I find myself telling them about the hk 91 then explaining that it is a clone. I try to keep it brief or you lose them.
 
I was looking hard at them and may pick one up still

As I was looking for a dependable 308 semi auto.

I am also looking at the p77 ak style


On the PTR91
Once you do the needed mods, you are easily at $1200 or more

But.... Price isn't everything....
 
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I've got a PTR 91 SC and I like it. The only thing is that it is kind of clunky and not ergonomically friendly. Other than that the recoil is extremely pleasant and it is very accurate. The quality is excellent. And mags are 4 bucks a pop.

The one frustrating thing is cleaning it. The bolt is such a foreign system and it goes together like a puzzle. I have only been feeding it brown bear and not cleaning it and I've only ever had one double fire.
 
Think I'm obligated to weigh in here, since I've spammed this forum with gun porn of my PTR more than once...

I obviously like my PTR a lot. Mine's been customized a fair bit, which is one nice thing about the PTR series guns: they're built close enough to HK specs that all sorts of parts from various guns in the family fit right on them. I have the cocking lever from a 21E LMG, the recoil buffer from a PSG-1, and a clipped trigger pack from a G3 with a trigger job by Bill Springfield.
The recoil really isn't particularly hard, but the characteristics of the recoil impulse with the basic G3 style recoil buffer are uncomfortable to a lot of people (think giant nail gun; ka-CHUNK!). With a longer/heavier buffer, like a PSG-1, 21E or 2-stage heavy buffer, it's a pussycat. With my PSG-1 buffer it's a long push feeling, noticeably less sharp than the recoil of my friends M1A.

I don't personally mind the mag release, but I have big hands.

You'll want a trigger job. Stock is usually about 7-8lbs and creepier than your uncle with the lazy eye. My trigger breaks at about 4.5lbs and with a minimum of creep.
As mentioned previously, if you reload, or might someday try, then get an ejection port buffer. RTG has POF copies of clip on HK buffers for $35 right now. It will pay for itself in brass in a couple range trips.
CTD had mags cheap, last time I checked. I ordered 40 steel ones for $2 ea a few years back. They've gone up since then, but still a lot cheaper than the $20 ea that seems to be the going rate at gun shows and shops, that I've seen.
 
Swampman said:
@ Jackal:
The issues as I see them are:

#1- I can't figure out why a weapon designed after WWII didn't include a last round "bolt hold open" to let you know when you're dry and facilitate faster reloads....(snip)
#3- Both my son and I have much larger than average hands, but neither one of us can operate the safety without completely letting go of the pistol grip.
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#1The issue with a bolt hold open, as I see it, is if there is a protrusion in the path of the bolt on closing, the sudden stop will cause the rollers to dimple the receiver "rails" as the bolt carrier's inertia forces the locking piece against the rollers inside the bolt. One can also get dimpled rails if his stock buffer is not up to the task.

Perhaps there is a way to design around this issue, but I haven't given it a whole lot of thought.

#3 I don't find it difficult using the thumb to go from safe to fire, but it is difficult to go from fire to safe. An ambidextrous safety/selector can alleviate this issue, as one uses the knuckle of his trigger finger to lift the selector.

Regards,
Stubb
 
Thanks guys for all the info! I decided at this time to not get the PTR 91. Reason for now is after I spent the money I would have to buy ammo for it. I already have ammo for an AR since I own a Remington 700 and a Mini-14. Also I decided it was time to get an AR. So I now have a Bushmaster XM15 with the removable carrying handle. I got a decent deal so I am happy. Paid under a thousand for it to include tax. Now that being said, next year I will look at the PTR again. I really want a 308 battle rifle and I think the PTR is the one for me. :)
 
I know you have made up your mind but a couple on the plus side of the PTR91
Mine shoots everything a FAL will not, steel case Russian no problem.
Mags are cheap, a couple of bucks not $25 to $35 and hard to find.
They are built like tanks.
Not bad for a battle rifle under a $1,000. Now all this said if I was going into combat I would rather have a FAL. If it was the end of the world and you needed a gun that shoots anything then the PTR.
 
Hi, guys.
First of all, thanks to everyone who has posted above about the PTR 91 information. Since I'm toying with the idea of buying one my question is this: Which barrel lengths should I use with it. I do also have an M1A, FAL (along with a CZ 550 FS) both 20" length and have no issues with the weight, they are heavy but they are ok for me (mid size guy here). CDNN actual prices are a great relief for this 308 shooter fan.
Thanks again.

CZhen, FL.
 
AlexanderA said:
I own a PTR-91, a DSA FAL, and an M1A. Of the three, the PTR is by far the worst.
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I dunno. We are all built differently, and each design has its strong points and its not so strong points. Of the three, I like the FAL the least. The thing that the G3 and its clones have going for them is their accuracy, the fascinating Vorgrimmler action, and they accept a scope and scope base readily. Since that is what I primarily use mine for, shooting at targets from a prone position, it suits me fine. I also like the M14 and its clones, especially for 3 position NRA shooting. Those iron sights with the 1/2 minute clicks and the hooded rear sight are really nice.
 
Here is an pretty objective review of the platform:

http://mountainpreparedness.blogspot.com/2011/04/personal-critical-review-of-firearms_2941.html

I have owned the HK/Cetme versions. Didn't care for the ergos or recoil or ruined brass. I have reloaded the HK brass with excellent accuracy results, but my FAL kicks out SA R1M1 empties that look like new without a mark on them.

When I bought my HK (late 70s) mags were outrageously priced at $20 apiece. Today they are dirt cheap.

The article linked also mentions potential problems with steel cased ammo. For that I will keep the Saiga...

I also found out the thin handguard on the HK gets hot rather quickly and would recommend the thicker fore end.

The HKs are not maintenance free. The rollers need to be cleaned and oiled periodically. It has been reported they can rust shut under extremely wet conditions like Central American jungles.

Another review from a High Road member (post #12: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=601083) confirms my experience.

Good luck


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Ok. I just got my PTR-91 GI from Buds gunshop. Its recoil is VERY mild, only fired 30rds today, but ran perfect. Mags dont drop free, charging handle is very tight/ hard to initially unlatch. Sighted were very low from the factory, hitting 1.5ft low at 30 yards:what:. I'll dial it in better tomorrow. A little clunky/different, but seems like a pretty darn nice rifle.
 
Congratulations Jackal. I'm glad you like your new rifle. They are sweet, aren't they? :)

I've read elsewhere that the new ones are shipping with a revised buffer in the stock that ameliorates recoil, versus the standard G3 buffer which seems to be just enough to keep the rollers from dimpling the receiver.
 
G3 platform rifles are harder to scope than others. PTR price has come down significantly in recent months probably has something to do with cheap 308 ARs in the market. For the price, I would go to buy a 308 AR. I like 308 as well, have several FAL, M14, and Vepr. Had a CETME but did not like it much. With the new price, PTR get me thinking again, mostly because of the unique delayed blow back that should have a place in my collection!
 
Originally Posted by Swampman View Post
@ Jackal:
The issues as I see them are:

#1- I can't figure out why a weapon designed after WWII didn't include a last round "bolt hold open" to let you know when you're dry and facilitate faster reloads....(snip)
#3- Both my son and I have much larger than average hands, but neither one of us can operate the safety without completely letting go of the pistol grip.

#1The issue with a bolt hold open, as I see it, is if there is a protrusion in the path of the bolt on closing, the sudden stop will cause the rollers to dimple the receiver "rails" as the bolt carrier's inertia forces the locking piece against the rollers inside the bolt. One can also get dimpled rails if his stock buffer is not up to the task.
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I never really thought about it but I would say that is as good of a reason as any why the G3 design never incorporated a bolt hold open device.
Another reason I can see is the line of thinking that many countries with the view that a bolt locking open after the last round is fired would also allow easy access to dirt and debris. Take the Brits with the L1A1 as a prime example. They are designed for bolts to lock open after the last round is fired but they cut off or simply omitted the pin in the bolt hold open catch that would allow this feature to function.
Other weapons that by design lack bolt hold open features are of course the AK and all it's kind like the Galil and Valmet rifles, the Steyr AUG, FN FS2000, and Spanish CETME to name a few.
 
Well, I looked at gunbroker to see what the price is on a g3, and was amazed. I have seen legit g3 on the used market under a grand in the last 3 or 4 years (start of ban panic or just before) I guess I should have been a buyer.
 
Well, I looked at gunbroker to see what the price is on a g3, and was amazed. I have seen legit g3 on the used market under a grand in the last 3 or 4 years
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A "legit" G3 includes a happy switch, like this one.

www.gunsamerica.com/955130243/H-K-G3-Transferable-Full-Auto.htm

I haven't seen one of those under $1000 since at least '86.

Come to think of it, I don't think I've seen a real HK-91 in decent shape for under two grand in quite a while, although admittedly I haven't exactly applied myself to lookin' for one.
 
For bang for the buck, it's hard to argue with the PTR. Magazines are unbelievably affordable too; at least the last time I checked.
 
I promise I'm not trying to derail the thread, the following IS PTR related after all.

@ Jackal
I'd be very interested in learning how the can works on your PTR.

I've got a YHM Stainless QD (heavy as a tank, but almost as stout) and I've thought of getting a mount for my son's PTR. I did a little research and there was so much talk about needing to change rollers, springs and buffers that I gave up on the whole idea.

Most people seemed to think that the HK/PTR type rifles didn't suppress particularly well even with all the modifications.

What's your experience?

Did you have to change many parts to keep the rifle from beating itself to death?

How does it sound?

What's your round count on the PTR through the can?

Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.
 
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