Pump-action "AR15" MSR

[tcoz]

I really like this. Didn't know it was available and at a decent MSRP. Instead of adding another AR to my small collection, I may consider it just for something a little different.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/art...wsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0915

Edit- The first picture is a little misleading as the buttstock is folded in making the rifle look a bit unconventional. Further down is a better picture.

 

[HOOfan_1]

$1100....wow, obviously specifically made for highly restrictive areas. I wonder if these would be legal in the UK, and unrestricted in Canada

 

[M-Cameron]

Interesting.

Looks like it would be a good idea if you wanted to run reduced power loads....and wanted to keep the same look and feel as your ar15.

 

[Sam1911]

We've discussed these pump-action black rifles before: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=756555

Interesting concept, and might indeed help people in very restrictive states.

One of the biggest hurdles to overcome might be this: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...t-the-hells-the-problem-with-troy-industries/

Scary stuff.

 

[tcoz]

Thanks for the links Sam1911.

 

[tcoz]

$1100....wow, obviously specifically made for highly restrictive areas. I wonder if these would be legal in the UK, and unrestricted in Canada

I didn't really feel that price was exceptionally high. I think we've become so accustomed to current cut-rate AR pricing that we forget what prices were before the recent up and down wild swings.

 

[Sam1911]

I think we've become so accustomed to current cut-rate AR pricing that we forget what prices were before the recent up and down wild swings.

True. Though that doesn't detract from the fact that you would be paying a stiff premium just so you can have a rifle that doesn't self-load. On the continuum of firearms development, that's a bit of a back step.

It does make a lot of sense if you have some very specific reason you can't have (or don't want?) a self-loader. It almost has to be a legislative or regulatory constraint, though, as a pump-action MSR is not going to be any more accurate than an auto-loading one, nor faster, nor more handy, nor lighter, nor... anything.

 

[tcoz]

Very true Sam. It would just be different.

 

[Nature Boy]

$1,100 or free, if it comes from Troy I have no interest in it.

 

[Tirod]

Troy isn't the only maker.

And yes, they were available in Britain at one time. I don't know how they have fared with any new restrictions.

Basically we can call it the AWB legal version, as it seems to be an option not only in CA but NY and other states. Regardless of who offers it we should support it in states that outlaw self loading actions. It's very definitely a thumb in the eye of AWB restrictions as it keeps the looks of a functional AR while meeting their currently Unconstitutional laws. The more of them the better, as the individual citizen realizes they can't go on looks alone - and that the law is based on looks more than anything. Yet completely ineffective.

I'd like to see PSA offer a kit to modify a standard upper. Seems simple enough. That and a straight wall cartridge barrel would just about be the ultimate "in your face" hunting rifle for certain states.

It showcases that laws cannot prohibit the ingenuity of man and we can and will work around them to get what we want. Even if it's obtaining something considered "evil" and also entirely legal.

Oh, by the way - if pumping the action seems to be asking too much, consider how much easier it would be compared to a bolt action. No loss of sight picture and no harder than a shotgun. If a manual action gun with bolt that moves into your cheek weld area is ok, then why not an AR that works even better?

Goes to people hating the gun's looks more than the action. It exposes the hypocrisy of what they say.

 

[Hookeye]

On such a rifle, the barrel may have nothing else contacting it (no gas block/tube or other) and might possibly offer an accuracy advantage if such is based on that aspect alone.

Ergonomics and other deigns issues relative to the pump mech might gobble up whatever gains were to be had by a truly free floated bbl.

IIRC DPMS had a pump AR soon after the AWB came about.

I do like the shorter length of a folding buttstock.
FNC para rode in my jeep for chuck patrol.........pretty handy.
Shoulder belt around gun (folded on pass seat) and over shift knob.
Kept it right there.
Flip, flop, rack, pop.

 

[Fishbed77]

I don't understand why anyone would pay the premium for a non-self-loading AR-15 (from Troy of all makers) when they live in God's Country (South Carolina).

ON a somewhat unrelated note, Bluffton is a beautiful little piece of this world.

$1,100 or free, if it comes from Troy I have no interest in it.

THIS. ^^^

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I could see this being popular in the UK where they can't own Semi auto centerfire rifles. I've seen UK Legal AR15s that had no gas system and required having to work the action every shot.

 

[Goosey]

$1100....wow, obviously specifically made for highly restrictive areas. I wonder if these would be legal in the UK, and unrestricted in Canada

The RCMP is taking forever to classify this gun. Given that they classified the MKA 1919 as restricted for being an "M16 variant" and completely prohibited the Armi Jager AP-80 and Mossberg Blaze47 because they looked like AKs... well, it's not a sure thing this won't also be labeled an AR variant.

I think this would only be successful in Canada if it's non-restricted AND takes proprietary 30-round mags that can't fit into ARs. Otherwise there's no compelling reason for most people to purchase this over all the other non-restricted .223 semi-autos.

 

[USAF_Vet]

I'd just look for a Remington 7615 Police rifle. Pump action, uses AR mags.

 

[unlimited4x4]

Rem 7615

I was just thinking the same thing USAF_Vet said. Look for a Rem 7615. Takes the AR mags and won't cost you $1100. That price is hard to swallow with the decline of AR prices at the moment, even for a unique piece. A NIB 7615 on Gunbroker is at $800. Buds at one time had them for $600. I've see used ones locally for $450 and considered them a time or two.

 

[philuk44]

Just for information pump action centrefire rifles such as this are not legal here in the UK.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Makes me wonder if any of the hardware could be adapted to a forward side charger on a conventional AR.

Mike

 

[Nature Boy]

Just for information pump action centrefire rifles such as this are not legal here in the UK.

I was going to ask if you guys were even allowed to have a sharp stick, but then remembered it's illegal for you to carry a pocket knife, so you wouldn't have anything to sharpen it with.

 

[philuk44]

[QUOTEI was going to ask if you guys were even allowed to have a sharp stick, but then remembered it's illegal for you to carry a pocket knife, so you wouldn't have anything to sharpen it with. ][/QUOTE]

It's not quite that bad Natureboy but there are quite a few hoops to jump through if you want to legally own firearms here. And while there are some types of guns we can't have we do try to have fun with what we've got

 

[dodo bird]

While I agree with what your saying. Let's keep it High Road. I got the chance to meet a Brit at the range recently. He loved to shoot when he came to the U.S.A .

 

[tcoz]

As the OP, I want to quell everybody's fears and say that I don't have any intention of actually purchasing this rifle, certainly not at this time. I do however think it's just different enough that it piqued my interest since I've never seen anything like it before. Sometimes it's just cool to get something a little different just because it is. You gotta admit that when you have four, five or more basic $600-900 AR15s, they're all pretty similar in appearance and function and nothing much sets one apart from another. I know that at $1100 some people think it's overpriced but that's only because we've all reset our AR value vs cost expectations because of the supply and demand and intense competition in the category. Since this isn't your basic semi-auto AR15, it doesn't have to compete on that same level. Just a few years ago it probably would've been looked at as a bargain or at least a good value.

This has been an interesting discussion. Thanks to everyone who contributed their 0.02.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

In CA, if you avoid a flash hider and a bayo lug, and pistol grip, you can use an M1a, mini-14, Garand, M1 carbine with the rifle style stock and get around the legislative semi auto issues.

 

[redbullitt]

Could open up some interesting possibilities for suppressed use, especially in SBR form. Probably not anything unique or unobtainable in other platforms, but who knows.

Who am I to judge lol? I have more than a few people poo poo my suppressed shorty rossi 92, but I couldn't care less since it is so much fun to shoot and tote. I see the pump AR filling that sort of niche, albeit small, very well. Lever guns are not for everyone, AND this accomplishes the same thing, giving another platform choice. It also does not run off a tube magazine, VERY important if you are going short and comparing it to my lever.

All good there in my book.

 

[KevininPa]

I'll keep my.........

..............7615, thank you very much. If I want something that looks like an AR, I'll get an AR.