Purchased Springfield Echelon To Replace CZ P-09. Well, Not So Fast,...

[Orion8472]

I recently purchased a Springfield Armory Echelon, with the idea of replacing my CZ P-09. I only need one full size 9mm, so that was the plan. But,...I just returned from the range and....though I seemed to initially like the feel of the Echelon,.....I wasn't able to get near the grouping with it as I can with the CZ. And I pretty much preferred the recoil impulse of the CZ better as well.

:-/

So,...since I do only need one,..........it looks like the Echelon will be the one that eventually goes away. This isn't the result I expected,....but you never know until you take them out and actually shoot them.

 

[JR24]

Sometimes it does take a bit of time to adjust to a much different grip (thinner) and recoil. Perhaps some dry firing with a much different trigger too.

Then again, if you like what you’ve got and you can conceal it fine, no need to change

 

[Terry G]

Pretty hard to beat a CZ P-09although the grip is not for everyone. It's my Hiking pistol.

 

[Orion8472]

This is mine....

 

[InTheSwamp]

New pistol, so you need more practice...it's simply different. But to CZ's credit, the P-09 is stupid accurate for a plastic fantastic. Once Cajunized, even more.

Mine is 100% Stock, minus the Talon grip.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

My P09. Fully cajunized, primarily machine match threaded barrel, milled for rmr.
Next to my Shadow 2 and DWX, it's one of my most accurate pistols, and it's my you just broke in the wrong house gun.

 

[sparkyv]

The P-09 (and P-07) are sleeper CZs, IMO. The triggers are great and are unexpectedly accurate. Striker fired handguns can't hold a candle to these CZ platforms. Full disclosure, I own and shoot plenty of striker fired handguns, and the SIG P320 does come close. Still...I hear good things about the Echelon.

 

[JR24]

I do miss my P07 on occasion. I really should get another

 

[dh1633pm]

This isn't the result I expected,....but you never know until you take them out and actually shoot them.

Exactly. You don’t know unless you can get behind the sights. Sometime you just gotta buy it to find out.

 

[Buckeye63]

 

[greyling22]

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Ahh the p10 goodness. I was all set to get one until it didn't run my powder puff reloads with large suppressor as well as my p07.

 

[a2x4bbl]

Fully Cajunized .

 

[Gork10]

Gotta love a good p-09. Mine is my bump in the night gun.

 

[Orion8472]

I took both out to the range today,...and I guess I was able to get better groups with the Echelon. But as I was shooting those 50 rounds,....I was saying to myself,...."I really don't find this enjoyable." If I am being honest,...I much prefer shooting my Mark II Government and Taurus TX-22 Competition. If it came to a point in time where people were panic buying again,...I might just sell all my 9mm stuff.

Just being honest.

 

[Orion8472]

Just came back from the Range. I have decided that, if I am to only keep one of these, it will be the CZ after all. Turns out, when shooting it, it feels better in the hand and is more accurate for me.

 

[Mosin77]

Just came back from the Range. I have decided that, if I am to only keep one of these, it will be the CZ after all. Turns out, when shooting it, it feels better in the hand and is more accurate for me.

Hard to argue with real world impressions. Sometimes a gun looks great on paper, but you never really know until you take it to the range. Most guns are mechanically reliable, so it ultimately comes down to the fact that all hands are different.

 

[InTheSwamp]

Just came back from the Range. I have decided that, if I am to only keep one of these, it will be the CZ after all. Turns out, when shooting it, it feels better in the hand and is more accurate for me.

Shot placement (accuracy) beats "cool" every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[bannockburn]

Orion8472

Just came back from the Range. I have decided that, if I am to only keep one of these, it will be the CZ after all. Turns out, when shooting it, it feels better in the hand and is more accurate for me.

Have to love that CZ greatness!

I liked the slightly smaller compact version P07. As soon as I picked it up I knew it just felt right for me. It fits my smaller size hand better than the full size P09. Another neat feature is that it's easily converted to .22LR with CZ's Kadet conversion kit.

 

[trackskippy]

I take it youve had the CZ a while, have shot it a good bit, and are familiar with it?

To be fair here, especially with a new gun, 50 rounds is basically nothing, and not even the start of a warm up, let alone a decision-maker for most things. 500 rounds of dedicated shooting with it, and with a focus on it alone, and a good bit of dry fire, would start to give you a clue, and a chance to actually settle in with it. New things always feel "off" compared to things we know, until we actually take the time to learn the new gun.

You seem to have enough of an interest in the Echelon to have bought it, maybe give it a real chance and see. Im not a big fan of Springfield (1911's anyway), but that looks like it could be a decent gun.

I shoot a lot of different makes and types of guns on a regular basis and shoot them all pretty much the same. I do tend to shoot the guns I carry just a bit better, and that's simply because they are what I shoot the most. But having taken the time and effort to learn the others, and keep up with them on a regular basis, keeps them fresh in my head and hands, and if we were to compare a target from each when shot deliberately for groups, you probably wouldn't know which shot which.

 

[Orion8472]

Mosin77, that seems to be the thing. Looked good on my monitor...and in a way, it feels "good" in the hand. But until you really shoot it, it's hard to know.

bannockburn, I had a P-07 for awhile. Yep,...also a good gun. And I'd love to find the Kadet for my P-09, but they're relatively rare and are rather pricey these days.

trackskippy, it comes down to how it feels in my hand...or more so, how it "hurts" my thumb knuckle when shooting. It was a gun I really liked the looks of...and that's why I took a chance on it.

 

[CapnMac]

Dunno, once you have shot it, flogging off a pistol is bit like giving away a puppy. Might be "necessary" but is never "easy." And you will be nagged by regret afterwards.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

^^^^^^^Not for me.

I said good riddance to a Sig P365 and SW metal competitor after about 200 rds.
Am not losing sleep over it.

 

[velocette]

Accurate, stone cold reliable, fits my hand (s), Cajun trigger, hammer, barrel bushing, springs, etc. all by me.
Machine work and fitting the Holosun by CGW.
A superb EDC using the older 14 rd flat base magazines.
When more concealment is necessary, an S&W 640 Snubby with a CT lasergrip is used.

 

[Spats McGee]

So,...since I do only need one,..........it looks like the Echelon will be the one that eventually goes away. This isn't the result I expected,....but you never know until you take them out and actually shoot them.

There really is no substitute for trigger time in deciding whether you like a gun. The single most common piece of advice given on THR almost has to be “go to a range and shoot one,” and for good reason.

 

[drobs]

CZ thread...



CZ Guru's is there a sale still going on CZ P10 pistols? I'm kind of looking for a sub compact P-10 S:

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