Question about automatic fire

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MachIVShooter said:
LiquidTension said:
My Max-11 ran at ~900 rounds/minute. I could do singles, doubles, or triples with no problem.

:rolleyes:

MAC-11 (As in Military Armament Corporation model 11).

And their cyclic rate is 1,200 RPM; Pretty much impossible to single fire.

The MAX-11, from Lage: http://www.max-11.com/

Upper receiver kits (and other parts) for MAC guns which allow all kinds of modifications, including changing the rate of fire to several different levels, including 600 rpm, 750, 900, and so on.
 
It's a great thing -- they've really taken the worst-of-the-worst sub-guns and turned them into a viable, useful platform. Certainly now a MAC-11/9 can be more ergonomic, flexible, and useful than an Uzi, and maybe more-so than an MP-5. Certainly competitive with them, especially considering the ability to use modern sighting systems, modular forends and grips, etc. And the prices are really not too bad, considering.
 
Years ago when my club allowed full auto weapons I had a chance to fire a SBR,an M16 with a 7" barrel. I managed after a little practice to get a 2 shot burst most of the time.
Same gentleman had an UZI clone and a 3 shot burst was the best I could do. BTW a 7" M 16 has a muzzle blast that will definately loosen any filling that you may have.
 
My first time out with a BAR I had figured out how to 'single shoot' it.

I'm not sure that can be done with a PPSH41. BZZZT there's 35 rounds.

Really a lot depends on the particular gun and the skill level of the shooter.
 
M4A1's can be fired with a single round when it is set on full auto. Most people cannot do this however, unless if they have had the time to train and practice it. Even then it can be difficult for many.

With the M4 the cam is always counting and does not reset. Fire two rounds only, the next full burst trigger pull and you will only get 1. Same goes with going empty on an emergency reload. You won't get the full 3 round burst if you ran dry somewhere in the middle of the burst cycle. I much prefer the M4A1 as you have more control over the burst type of fire that you wish to use.
 
I found it very easy to do singles with a Thompson and MP-40.

The PPSH-41, forget it. Dr. Rob is right, that thing puts the buzz in buzzgun.

Except for a couple of magazines of blanks, I've not fired a full-auto M16, so I don't know how easy it is to do singles with one of those.
 
The Ma-Duce don`t have a Semi setting & it fires singles real easy, same with 1919 but you have to have a little quicker finger.

Are you refering to the M2 .50 cal? All the ones I was issued and worked with had a locking mecanism to allow single shot. I believe Carlos Hathcock used it for a well know shot in Vietnam.
 
The Ma-Duce don`t have a Semi setting & it fires singles real easy, same with 1919 but you have to have a little quicker finger.

By default, the M2HB fires semiautomatically -- that is, the bolt catch holds the bolt to the rear after each shot and must be released by pushing the bolt release button (located between the arms of the butterfly trigger) before the gun can be fired again. For true automatic fire, the bolt release must be held down using the rotating collar that surrounds the buffer.

This system is unlike that of the .30 Brownings. In those, the bolt is not held to the rear automatically. When I was doing WWI/WWII reenactments, this was a problem because blanks heat the barrel a lot faster/hotter than live rounds and we were experienciong cookoffs unless we held the bolt to the rear manually between bursts.
 
I spent a few years as a drill sergeant and was assigned to the ranges. So I trained in the M2HB, M-60, M-203 and of course the M16A1. I left the military before the M-4 and don't know much about it. We didn't have the burst setting yet. We were still using the LAW, which I think has been out of the system for some time. The SAW was brand new.

We had a hard time training M-60 shooters to fire off six round bursts. They'd either shoot to few or too many. Firing six shot bursts and then counting to five between bursts you could pretty much keep the gun firing as long as you had belts of ammo to feed it. Sustained fire was something like 200-250 rounds per minute. Even at that rate the gun got HOT and at night it'd glow red. During the day the barrel would smoke. They gave us asbestos gloves so that we could grab the hot barrel and change it out with another.

Our 50's were fired with your thumbs. That gun had a head space issue. Each gun had its own gauge. They fired pretty slowly, but with gusto. Bam, bam, bam..... It was pretty easy to pickle off one round. But man! What a wicked round & gun! We used to say the M-60 said, "gonnagetchagonnagetchagonnagetcha". The 50 said, GOTCHA....GOTCHA....GOTCHA.

I'll tell you what. If some of you young guys want to shoot some darned amazing weapons then do a hitch in the infantry; marines or army. I was in both services. I even spent time as a pilot; yeah a weird career. I liked each for different reasons. If you have the guts and want to fight and live in the dirt, then join the Marines. If you want a career I'd suggest the Army. Either way, you will eventually lose your hearing.

One more thing. I'd not suggest that anyone join the military during peace time. You need a war. Promotions are better, there's more stuff to work with and it's more fun. Peace time is inspection after inspection and meaningless run after meaningless run and they make things up to make you miserable. It is all make-believe; you need the real thing to do any good.

No one works harder than an infantrymen. No sleep, the food is well...iffy. You stink like hell and the thought of an 8 hour day is ridiculous. You'll work three 24's, snatch a little shuteye (you'll be able to sleep standing up) and then go for another three days straight. Days flow into oneanother. You work in a fog of fatigue. If you get into a fight you'll run on adrenaline. You'll chew on the dried coffee in your MRE's.

It feels funny when you finally get home. You will also be amazed how civilians can complain about how hard they work. Some of us missed the excitement. I know I did. Lots of grunts became cops, soldiers make good cops. I became a high school teacher, but I stayed in the reserves because I felt so at home there. Now I'm too old to play soldier anymore. I've been out for decades. I missed the desert, but trained people for it. I'm enraged at the ROE that the troops have to work under. I blame liberalism, but I blame liberalism for pretty much all bad things.
 
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I agree with germster. I spent 8 1/2 years in the military. I also have done private security overseas on military bases in the middle east. The ROE the military has to follow ridiculous. Thank you to all the Liberals in DC for trying to run something they have no idea of.

Police officers are trained to do what the military is doing now. I know because I am one. Cops are trained to protect and shoot as a last resort. The military is trained to kill and then protect the ground that was taken.

The liberals have screwed up the military since Vietnam.
 
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