question about new inline on sale at midwayusa??

[midland man]

CVA Buckhorn 209 Muzzleloading Rifle 50 Caliber Synthetic Stock Black 24" Barrel Blue, they have this muzzleloader on sale at midway usa for $139 so I was wondering if anyone had experience with this muzzleloader and did it shoot accurately and whats you thoughts over all about this cheap muzzleloader?? thanks!

 

[Panzerschwein]

They seem to be good guns for the masses who want to take advantage of the extended muzzleloading season, but who don't really like muzzleloaders or black powder shooting in general.

I think you will find it to be accurate and perfectly serviceable for deer hunting. If you're buying one for any other reason, consider saving up and buying a good traditional muzzleloader like a Lyman Great Plains rifle.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Cooldill is correct in my experience with them.
If you are not a BP junkie and are just looking to extend your season, they are absolutely fine for that. They are a no frills ML but they work. I started out with one.

Now I started liking it and bought a better muzzleloader, a CVA Optima Elite that you can change barrels on. I call it a poor man's Encore.

But my cheap CVA inline worked great. It was quite accurate with sabots and 240 grain XTPs.

 

[midland man]

so guys what type of sabots or conicals, and powder charges did yours like to be accurate? thanks!

 

[BullSlinger]

Careful not to load them too hot with pellets. Follow pellet manufactures instructions and not CVA's claims. These guns have been known to blow up in the shooters face a few years back.

 

[midland man]

thanks bullslinger sure appreciate it. well I don't load hot loads as its not needed here in Oklahoma I try to load for accuracy plus deer here are not very big so I hoped this would be plenty for this area! again thanks guys keep the comments coming!!

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

Careful not to load them too hot with pellets. Follow pellet manufactures instructions and not CVA's claims. These guns have been known to blow up in the shooters face a few years back.

To clarify, the story of the CVa's that has grown to urban legend status of blowing up is in reference to the Apollo Model back in the late 1990's that was clearly rated for 100 grains Max of black powder. I've heard of no evidence of any that "Blew Up" while loaded with 100 grains or less of BP. The controversy had nothing to do with CVA's recommendations being exaggerated. To the contrary, the whole controversy was due to some folks loading smokeless powder and others that thought if two 50 grain pellets are good then 4 or more is even better.

 

[midland man]

okay so the one I am looking at says it'll handle 150gr bp so is that true or false?

 

[Arkansas Paul]

so guys what type of sabots or conicals, and powder charges did yours like to be accurate?

I shot a 240 grain Hornady XTP and 90 grains of loose Pyrodex.
It shot very well.

I don't know about the new ones but mine used regular percussion caps. I never tried pellets with it. It's so much cheaper to shoot loose powder. Pellets are a rip off IMO. Not nearly as many shots for the money.

 

[robhof]

robhof

If the manufacturer says 150 Gr then it's been proofed for that amount, however the most accurate load may be much less and in fact 150 Gr out of a 24" barrel will result in a lot of wasted powder. 90 to 100 Gr will mostly burn in a 24" barrel, any more and you're wasting powder, even the 150 total of pellets will burn past the end of the barrel. Shoot for accuracy, then work up till it declines, usually well before max, that's your ideal hunting load. I took a deer at 130 yds with a 255Gr sabot round with 80 Gr of 777.

 

[frontiergander]

yes it will handle 150gr of pellets no problem.

This myth was pushed heavy by randy wakeman and all the net reader bums pick up on it without really knowing the writer and his tactics behind the story lol.

The buckhorn is as perfectly safe as any other gun. Its the person behind it thats normally 99.9% the reason guns blow up in their face.

80-110gr of powder is all you'll ever need.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Shoot for accuracy, then work up till it declines, usually well before max, that's your ideal hunting load.

This.
I shot this doe with this CVA muzzleloader two weeks ago at just a hair over 150 yards. The bullet was a 295 grain Powerbelt hollow point and the powder charge was only 80 grains of loose Pyrodex.



She ran about 30 yds and piled up, very dead. I have no idea how an extra 70 grains of powder would have offered any benefit at all. Perhaps it would extend the range a bit, but truthfully 150 is all most of us ask of our muzzleloaders anyway.

 

[BullSlinger]

Problem is Spanish barrels were not proofed. This is not urban legend. CVA and Traditions both sold such guns and stated it was fine to use 3 pellets (150 grains) and yes there were guns that blew up and caused injury.

 

[frontiergander]

TC and Knight barrels are not proofed. Douglas back in the day had exploding barrels, Sharon had issues with that as well. Now lets not talk about Remington!

CVA had recall guns in 95 and 96 and it was for the breech plugs coming out of the rifles.

check out this OLD cva shooting black powder and then smokeless. Take note to the breech plug/drum system on the last shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en384qVqrug