Questions about my new Taylor and Co. Cattleman SAA

Stefan A

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I bought a new Taylor and Co. 5.5” Cattleman yesterday and I have a couple questions. This is the newer model with 3 clicks. Why did Uberti do this? Why not just keep it at 4? I already have another 7.5” cattleman with the more traditional 4 clicks. Just wondering what the purpose of the new system is.

Also, I notice that if I pull the hammer back but slightly short my pull, it will go back to half cock (I guess it’s not half anymore). Then, when I try to cock it all the way back again, it doesn’t stay. I have to start over and bring the hammer all the way down and cock it again. Whereas my other Cattleman will allow me to fully cock if I short it accidentally. What’s going on here?

Regarding sight picture. Should I be trying to line up the very top of the front sight even with the rear notch? When I do, it shoots low. So, I have to aim high to hit my target. By aiming high, I block my view of the target which I don’t like. Should I perhaps put a white mark halfway down the front site and use that as my sight picture? Is that what people do?
 
New design from the old Uberti, the hammer safety gun is built into the hammer & trigger. They have a mechanical linkage from the 2 parts. When the trigger is pulled back it will stiffen the hammer fire pin thingy. So yeah, Gen 1 Uberti has traditional Colt 4 click design, Gen 2 has a 3 click - hammer & trigger safety so you can “ safely “carry 6
 
Well it’s more of another gun company trying not be sued by a consumers mistake , or careless action , like lever action rifles with cross bolt safeties and S&W with the internal lock . I wouldn’t buy that product as long as I can buy one without it . I really don’t like reversing what a company calls a safety measure . I would rather buy used , or another manufacturer . That is why I have 3 Ruger revolvers now instead of 3 new S&W’s .

As far as shooting low . You could file down the front sight and touch it up with some cold blue . I would decide what ammo that I am going shoot first , different grain bullets and powders will change poi some . You can’t put it back once you file it down , go slow .
 
OP, sorry for your consternations.

But stop with the Italian stuff.

Save and get a Colt.

Or buy a Ruger Vaquero and
have the best possible reasonably
priced SA revolver around (besides
the Blackhawk, of course).

I suggest anyone taking a needle file
and on an Italian clone, do some
filing on a non-seen part. Then do the
same on a Colt or Ruger. It's mush
vs. real steel. (Yes, I'm prejudiced.)
 
Curious about what bullet weight (and chambering, for that matter) your using.

A lot of fixed sighted handguns are sighted to a particular bullet weight.
So far I have tried factory rounds from Freedom Munitions which are 250 grain bullets. I also tried some of my reloads which are 250 grain xtp's and 6g of titegroup. On my new gun, these are hitting low. On my older gun, these same rounds hit about 5-6" high.
 
New design from the old Uberti, the hammer safety gun is built into the hammer & trigger. They have a mechanical linkage from the 2 parts. When the trigger is pulled back it will stiffen the hammer fire pin thingy. So yeah, Gen 1 Uberti has traditional Colt 4 click design, Gen 2 has a 3 click - hammer & trigger safety so you can “ safely “carry 6
I am probably just dense or something. But I am not understanding the "safety" aspect of the new design. I watched the video you posted but it didn't really address that aspect. I understands that with the new model, the is a plunger/linkage that removes or adds pressure to the firing pin. I can see that when the hammer is pulled all the way back, you can grasp the pin and it will move in and out. With my old model, it doesn't do that (although it still floats a bit). I am not understanding what makes this a safety hammer.
 
The safety hammer will not let the firing pin touch the primer unless the trigger is pulled, and held back, throughout the hammers entire arc.

It reduces (or eliminates) the possibility of the gun being dropped or the hammer struck and the nose of the firing pin igniting the primer, causing an unintended discharge.

This feature is not present on the “4-clicks” gun, which can let the firing pin hit the primer if the hammer is down and is struck without the trigger being pulled. That’s why it the loading process is often referred to as, “load one, skip one, load four, cock and let the hammer down on the empty chamber.” This places the hammer nose over an empty chamber, not a loaded one.

This safety hammer takes the place of the transfer bar, like the Ruger has, keeping the traditional look of the firing pin in the hammer.

Stay safe.
 
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I am probably just dense or something. But I am not understanding the "safety" aspect of the new design. I watched the video you posted but it didn't really address that aspect. I understands that with the new model, the is a plunger/linkage that removes or adds pressure to the firing pin. I can see that when the hammer is pulled all the way back, you can grasp the pin and it will move in and out. With my old model, it doesn't do that (although it still floats a bit). I am not understanding what makes this a safety hammer.
the hammer fire pin kinda floats around until it’s pined back by the trigger via. metal bits.

People don’t trust it, so shoot with 6 is ok.. but don’t carry with 6
 
Riomouse, good explanation, and Mark, concur entirely.
I hadn't done my homework, and wanted a traditional SAA. When I saw the firing pin sticking out of the Taylor/Uberti hammer, I thought it was the deal, and didn't count clicks. After getting it home, and figuring out what was what, I tried to swap it at a local shop. The owner thought that I had the temerity to try to negotiate the price, and threw me out. :uhoh:
After that, I did what Alexander A suggested; called Taylor, and got a four click hammer. It works just fine.
For the OP, have you let anyone else shoot the gun? My Taylor/Uberti shoots to the sights with some 700'sec Trailboss reloads.
Moon
 
Riomouse, good explanation, and Mark, concur entirely.
I hadn't done my homework, and wanted a traditional SAA. When I saw the firing pin sticking out of the Taylor/Uberti hammer, I thought it was the deal, and didn't count clicks. After getting it home, and figuring out what was what, I tried to swap it at a local shop. The owner thought that I had the temerity to try to negotiate the price, and threw me out. :uhoh:
After that, I did what Alexander A suggested; called Taylor, and got a four click hammer. It works just fine.
For the OP, have you let anyone else shoot the gun? My Taylor/Uberti shoots to the sights with some 700'sec Trailboss reloads.
Moon
Want a real Colt SAA unfired 1960’s gen 2?

Look into Commemorative sets… like states centennial and such. around $1,000 to $1500 with nice presentation case and 60’s swag!
 
Riomouse, good explanation, and Mark, concur entirely.
I hadn't done my homework, and wanted a traditional SAA. When I saw the firing pin sticking out of the Taylor/Uberti hammer, I thought it was the deal, and didn't count clicks. After getting it home, and figuring out what was what, I tried to swap it at a local shop. The owner thought that I had the temerity to try to negotiate the price, and threw me out. :uhoh:
After that, I did what Alexander A suggested; called Taylor, and got a four click hammer. It works just fine.
For the OP, have you let anyone else shoot the gun? My Taylor/Uberti shoots to the sights with some 700'sec Trailboss reloads.
Moon
Actually, I bought it knowing that it was 3 clicks. Decided I didn’t mind since my other 45 colt is 4. So, Probably won’t be buying a new hammer. Just got it yesterday so no one else has fired it. I really REALLY want to like 45 colt but both of my guns don’t shoot to the sights and that annoys me.
 
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OP, sorry for your consternations.

But stop with the Italian stuff.

Save and get a Colt.

Or buy a Ruger Vaquero and
have the best possible reasonably
priced SA revolver around (besides
the Blackhawk, of course).

I suggest anyone taking a needle file
and on an Italian clone, do some
filing on a non-seen part. Then do the
same on a Colt or Ruger. It's mush
vs. real steel. (Yes, I'm prejudiced.)
I hear you ED. One day perhaps.
 
The safety hammer will not let the firing pin touch the primer unless the trigger is pulled, and held back, throughout the hammers entire arc.

It reduces (or eliminates) the possibility of the gun being dropped or the hammer struck and the nose of the firing pin igniting the primer, causing an unintended discharge.

This feature is not present on the “4-clicks” gun, which can let the firing pin hit the primer if the hammer is down and is struck without the trigger being pulled. That’s why it the loading process is often referred to as, “load one, skip one, load four, cock and let the hammer down on the empty chamber.” This places the hammer nose over an empty chamber, not a loaded one.

This safety hammer takes the place of the transfer bar, like the Ruger has, kerping the traditional look of the firing pin in the hammer.

Stay safe.
Thanks for the explaination - and to everyone else too. I had to take out the cylinder to both of my guns to see this concept in action. Makes sense now.
 
Maybe I missed it, sorry if I did, but have the
distances of the targets ever been mentioned.

It was mentioned that using the front sight only,
view of the target was blocked. Seems like
the target might be pretty far out.

I suggest enjoying the guns at 15 yards or so
and closer.

By the by, when the cavalry took the Model P with
its 7.5-inch barrel it was supposedly sighted for 60 yards.
 
What a stupid video. I hate these videos where the author blabs for three minutes, including a stupid supposed argument, before he gets down to business.

ALL revolvers imported into this country are required to have some sort of safety mechanism. ALL OF THEM!

Colt gets away without any sort of safety mechanism because they are manufactured in the US, and are not imported.

For a number of years Uberti was making a revolver that had a small hammer block incorporated into the hammer mechanism.

This is the type of hammer that had the built in hammer block that Uberti was importing years ago.

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After a while, Uberti switched to the type of cylinder pin that engaged the spring loaded latch with two positions on the pin. When the pin was pulled all the way back, the rear of the pin extended out through the rear of the frame, and blocked the hammer from falling all the way. I suspect Uberti did this simply because it was less expensive to install the two position cylinder pin than the extra machining and extra parts needed for the earlier style hammer with the built in hammer block. The two position pin was a useless safety device, because it could not be easily manipulated with one hand if the revolver needed to be fired in a hurry. So the shooter had to always remember to keep the stupid two position cylinder pin pulled to the forward position if he wanted to fire the revolver in a hurry.



I bought this Uberti Cattleman slightly used about 20 years ago. It came with the stupid two position cylinder pin, which I immediately replaced with an aftermarket cylinder pin with just one position.

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For what ever reason, probably as stated to avoid lawsuits, Uberti redesigned the mechanism to the current 'three click' version. Another stupid name. Let's be clear here. The reason the traditional Colt type action has 'four clicks' is because an audible click is heard when the hammer is pulled back to the so called 'safety cock' position, another click is heard when the hammer goes to half cock, a third click is heard when the bolt pops up against the cylinder, and the final click is heard when the hammer goes to full cock and the bolt pops into a locking slot. If one cocks a Colt or clone very, very slowly, one might actually hear five clicks, because the hammer may go to full cock slightly before the bolt pops into a locking slot.

With the 'three click' lockwork, the so called 'safety cock' notch on the hammer has been eliminated. So the first click heard will be the hammer going to half cock, then the bolt pops up, and finally the hammer goes to full cock. Just three clicks.

The new safety mechanism that Uberti incorporated relies on a retractable firing pin. The firing pin is held in the retracted position by a small spring. In the retracted position the firing pin cannot touch a primer. With the hammer at full cock, when the trigger is pulled, an extension on the trigger pushes a small actuator inside the hammer up, which in turn wedges the firing pin forward, so it can strike a primer as the hammer falls. One can cock the hammer and pull the firing pin forward, but the internal spring will pop it back to the retracted position in the hammer. Only by pulling the trigger will the actuator wedge the firing pin forward to fire a cartridge.



Here are the lock work parts of a 2nd Gen Colt Single Action Army. The parts of the old 'four click' Ubertis are basically the same. Except for the very earliest 1st Gen Colts, the firing pin can wiggle a little bit up and down. The firing pin is held in place by the rivet seen in this photo. The firing pin is purposely allowed to wiggle up and down a little bit because the firing pin has to 'find its way' through the firing pin hole in the frame. This is because of the geometry of the arc the tip of the firing pin travels through as it flashes through its hole in the frame. So it is purposely allowed to wiggle up and down a little bit, pivoting slightly on the rivet.

By the way, this photo also illustrates why a Colt or clone must NEVER be carried fully loaded with a live round under the hammer. Notice how thin the tip of the trigger is, where it engages the cocking notches on the hammer. Even with the trigger in the so called 'safety cock' notch, it would not take much of a blow to the hammer to shear off the tip of the firing pin, or the cocking notch, allowing the firing pin to strike a primer, and discharging the firearm.

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Regarding why your shots are going low, I have no idea. I always line up the top of the front sight blade with the top of the rear sight, and hold at 6 O'clock on the target.

By the way, most of the imports replicate the tiny V groove rear sights of the old 1st Gen Colts. I much prefer the nice squared off rear sight of a 2nd Gen Colt, on the left in this photo, to the tiny V groove of my old Uberti Cattleman. Much easier for my 72 year old eyes to see the sights.

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