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Heavens no. 
'pax' is the Latin word for peace, and I chose it because I needed a constant reminder to be more of a peacemaker than I am by nature. Also, it was kind of a play on words: pax packs.
pax
With a knowledge of the name comes a distincter recognition and knowledge of the thing. -- Henry David Thoreau
'pax' is the Latin word for peace, and I chose it because I needed a constant reminder to be more of a peacemaker than I am by nature. Also, it was kind of a play on words: pax packs.
pax
With a knowledge of the name comes a distincter recognition and knowledge of the thing. -- Henry David Thoreau
OK . I had wanted too ask for about two months now. I just couldn't figure out how to ask . If it is was in General , it might not be bun related , if It was PM it might be perceived as great another perv. So this thread is the best way I could figure .
P95Carry
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Definitely wouldn't and isn't!
Tho I do hear pax is pretty slick at the choc-chip cookies!! 
Sorry Kodiak (& pax) ... had to pick up on that one.
Hand_Rifle_Guy
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Since I brought it up...
And no-one seems to want to take on ugly political/media realities, I shall link to it.
My review of Bernard Goldberg's book Bias, a scathing indictment of Liberal Media Bias in the network news, written by a reporter who worked at CBS News for 28 years. Goldberg's no conservative by his own admission, but he was unimpressed when the industry refused to address his concerns about a left-slanted tilt to news delivery that he brought to network execs over the course of years. He details the whats, whys, and wherefores of this insidious trend, prompted by virulent, unpleasant responses to an editorial he wrote in the Wall Street Journal in 1996. His colleagues in the industry called him a traitor for writing that op-ed piece, which is a pretty good endorsment.
On another media-related note, this thread reproduces an EXCELLENT article on the methods that the anti-gunners use to manipulte the terms of discussion on the gun-control debate, and details not only how to defend against emotionally-loaded-soundbite propaganda techniques, but how to use these techniques to fight back against he gun-grabbers on their own turf. Written by our own member bfieldburt, "Why Are You Losing Your Freedoms? The Semantics of Manipulation." first appeared in JPFO's Bill Of Rights Sentinel magazine, it's posted here with permission to reproduce it. Additionally, the thread has many links to other articles on wordplay and semantic juggling. This is a MUST READ for anyone in a position to debate the forces of the gun-grabbers.
And no-one seems to want to take on ugly political/media realities, I shall link to it.
My review of Bernard Goldberg's book Bias, a scathing indictment of Liberal Media Bias in the network news, written by a reporter who worked at CBS News for 28 years. Goldberg's no conservative by his own admission, but he was unimpressed when the industry refused to address his concerns about a left-slanted tilt to news delivery that he brought to network execs over the course of years. He details the whats, whys, and wherefores of this insidious trend, prompted by virulent, unpleasant responses to an editorial he wrote in the Wall Street Journal in 1996. His colleagues in the industry called him a traitor for writing that op-ed piece, which is a pretty good endorsment.
On another media-related note, this thread reproduces an EXCELLENT article on the methods that the anti-gunners use to manipulte the terms of discussion on the gun-control debate, and details not only how to defend against emotionally-loaded-soundbite propaganda techniques, but how to use these techniques to fight back against he gun-grabbers on their own turf. Written by our own member bfieldburt, "Why Are You Losing Your Freedoms? The Semantics of Manipulation." first appeared in JPFO's Bill Of Rights Sentinel magazine, it's posted here with permission to reproduce it. Additionally, the thread has many links to other articles on wordplay and semantic juggling. This is a MUST READ for anyone in a position to debate the forces of the gun-grabbers.
P95Carry
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Most useful thread addition H_R_G ...... thx.
Alexey931
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Staggered magazine
What is a staggered magazine? Actually I have a good hunch about that, but I could use a good definition. Also I would appreciate a list of related terms (magazines can be staggered, ..., ..., ... and ...)
Best regards, Alexey
What is a staggered magazine? Actually I have a good hunch about that, but I could use a good definition. Also I would appreciate a list of related terms (magazines can be staggered, ..., ..., ... and ...)
Best regards, Alexey
P95Carry
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Alexey - welcome back to the thread!! Been a few months!
I assume here you are referring to ''single-stack'' and ''double-stack'' magazines really. Here is a simple diag' .... in fact probably showing what folks all know already!
On left - single stack - with single column of rounds sitting on mag' follower. On right - the usual sort of stacking in a double stack - not truly double but giving a staggered result. Obviously greater capacity but with an increase in width - reflected by gun having wider grips of course.
Not shown are mag' lips - at top - which center and constrain top round. I guess that can be imagined easily enough.
I assume here you are referring to ''single-stack'' and ''double-stack'' magazines really. Here is a simple diag' .... in fact probably showing what folks all know already!
On left - single stack - with single column of rounds sitting on mag' follower. On right - the usual sort of stacking in a double stack - not truly double but giving a staggered result. Obviously greater capacity but with an increase in width - reflected by gun having wider grips of course.
Not shown are mag' lips - at top - which center and constrain top round. I guess that can be imagined easily enough.
Alexey931
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Thanks! Very nice of you to remember me. I suspect that staggered and double stack are not quite the same thing. I can tell for certain that 'staggered' applies to Beretta M9 mag, which is indeed double stack, but with a single top round, which is common with pistols, but to my knowledge newer happens with rifles. I hope there are different terms to describe these two kinds of mags. I suspect 'staggered' belongs to these pistol-type mags. Any comment is welcome .
Best regards, Alexey
.Best regards, Alexey
P95Carry
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AFAIK Alexey - considering things like mags for AK and my FAL etc ... they are still ''staggered'' double ... I know of no mags for anything where the rounds would be truly doubled next to each other.
Thing is - there must always be just one round coming to top of stack to strip off and load - anything other than the stagger would make things tricky I think! Maybe someone else will chip in but - staggered is always to me the principle used in ''double'' stackers - rifle, handgun whatever..
Thing is - there must always be just one round coming to top of stack to strip off and load - anything other than the stagger would make things tricky I think! Maybe someone else will chip in but - staggered is always to me the principle used in ''double'' stackers - rifle, handgun whatever..
Alexey931
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No, no! Double stack is always 'checkered' (staggered?), but with double stack pistol mags the rounds usually reorder themselves to 'single stack' so on top is a single round strictly 'amidships', which is not the case with rifle double stack mags. I keep asking whether there are proper terms to distingwish between these two cases?
Best regards, Alexey
Best regards, Alexey
Well,
take the M1 clip, for example. It is a staggered, double-stack device, but the top round is not centered, and when picked up by the bolt feeds initially from left or right of center, being directed to the midline by the conical breech face. Likewise the M16/AR15 mags feed from either side of midline. 1903A3 magazine does also.
So I think there is no term for this kind of mag because almost all rifle mags work that way, thus needing no special term. Pistol mags, on the other hand, were all single-stack at first, and so when increased-capacity mags were introduced (Browning Hi Power, I believe) a new term was needed to distinguish them from traditional mags. Hence double-stack, meaning a staggered mag which feeds the top round from the midline.
take the M1 clip, for example. It is a staggered, double-stack device, but the top round is not centered, and when picked up by the bolt feeds initially from left or right of center, being directed to the midline by the conical breech face. Likewise the M16/AR15 mags feed from either side of midline. 1903A3 magazine does also.
So I think there is no term for this kind of mag because almost all rifle mags work that way, thus needing no special term. Pistol mags, on the other hand, were all single-stack at first, and so when increased-capacity mags were introduced (Browning Hi Power, I believe) a new term was needed to distinguish them from traditional mags. Hence double-stack, meaning a staggered mag which feeds the top round from the midline.
Alexey931
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Term 'staggered' is taken from the Beretta 92F/M9 Manual.
Best regards, Alexey
Best regards, Alexey
P95Carry
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Alexey - OK, with you on that - see what you mean.
But - there is no designation I am aware of that will distinguish between these variations. Khornet is correct re the rifle vs handgun difference - but lower down the mags the stagger is pretty much the same.
The average and usual semi handgun has a central feed ramp and accepts rounds of course from between mag feed lips - thus centrally. Again as Khornet points out - almost all rifles that are semi - certainly all I have used or own - indeed, strip off alternate rounds from left and right. The guidance then for said rounds is not so much a ''feedramp'' as such - just a large chamfer around the chamber.
But you knew all this anyways!!. Just no term I know of to differentiate between the types as far as names go.
But - there is no designation I am aware of that will distinguish between these variations. Khornet is correct re the rifle vs handgun difference - but lower down the mags the stagger is pretty much the same.
The average and usual semi handgun has a central feed ramp and accepts rounds of course from between mag feed lips - thus centrally. Again as Khornet points out - almost all rifles that are semi - certainly all I have used or own - indeed, strip off alternate rounds from left and right. The guidance then for said rounds is not so much a ''feedramp'' as such - just a large chamfer around the chamber.
But you knew all this anyways!!. Just no term I know of to differentiate between the types as far as names go.
Alexey931
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SMLE - why?
Why the stress on the Short Magazine? Almost all its contemporaries have magazines just as short. I wonder if there is a LMLE somewhere in the cupboard...
Best regards, Alexey
Why the stress on the Short Magazine? Almost all its contemporaries have magazines just as short. I wonder if there is a LMLE somewhere in the cupboard...
Best regards, Alexey
P95Carry
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On this I have no input!! However, were the THR member ''SMLE'' to see this maybe he would have a response.
Season's Greetings Alexey.
Season's Greetings Alexey.
Actually you have put two of the letters together. The original rifle was the Lee-Metford rifle and was denoted by MLM for Magazine Lee Metford. When the rifle was modified to handle the new smokeless powder the name changed to the Lee Enfield Magazine Rifle and was called the MLE. Then the rifle was modified again with the most prevalent change being the barrel was shortened and was then renamed the Short Magazine Lee Enfield rifle or the SMLE.
So it's not Short Magazine like there was a long magazine model, but the "Short" denotes the barrel is now shorter from the previous model.
So it's not Short Magazine like there was a long magazine model, but the "Short" denotes the barrel is now shorter from the previous model.
Alexey931
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Thank you very much. Greetings too.
Best regards, Alexey
Best regards, Alexey
Alexey931
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Beltless feed
What is beltless feed and how it works? I am not even sure about the correct name. It is feeding system usually employed with Gatling guns.
Best regards, Alexey
What is beltless feed and how it works? I am not even sure about the correct name. It is feeding system usually employed with Gatling guns.
Best regards, Alexey
P95Carry
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Haha - time to resurrect your old favorite eh!
All that comes to mind here for me is spring assisted gravity feed, from a magazine.
All that comes to mind here for me is spring assisted gravity feed, from a magazine.
Beltless feed is the link system you see on the machinguns. The cartridges are held together by interlocking links. The links are seperated when a round is fed into the gun. Originally the cartridges were held on webbed belts that were fed into the gun.
P95Carry
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Good on ya majic - darn - was not thinking very laterally earlier.
Of course - belt per se - fabric/webbing - was indeed original belt proper. I cannot tho for like of me think of the term for the metal links - is it something like ''disintegrating link''?? Still associate that with belting tho for some reason.
Mind you - thinking Gatlings per se - were not the earliest ones fed from a top mag? Was it not towards developments re maxim that first belting was brought in?
Of course - belt per se - fabric/webbing - was indeed original belt proper. I cannot tho for like of me think of the term for the metal links - is it something like ''disintegrating link''?? Still associate that with belting tho for some reason.
Mind you - thinking Gatlings per se - were not the earliest ones fed from a top mag? Was it not towards developments re maxim that first belting was brought in?
BluesBear
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I think the Gatling Gun was originally referred to as a "hopper feed" firearm. The hopper could be replentished with loose cartridges while firing.
The hopper idea worked but it was too easy for a cartridge to get reversed which would really jam up the works. Thus the feed strip was developed to ensure that the cartridges would remain properly oriented.
Machineguns, such as the M60, the M249 and the Mk19, which use disintegrating links are still considered to be "belt fed" weapons.
The hopper idea worked but it was too easy for a cartridge to get reversed which would really jam up the works. Thus the feed strip was developed to ensure that the cartridges would remain properly oriented.
Machineguns, such as the M60, the M249 and the Mk19, which use disintegrating links are still considered to be "belt fed" weapons.
P95Carry
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Ahh - the feed strip - there ya go. It all comes flooding back!
Alexey931
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feed strip
A nice term. It just doesn't explain what propels the rounds inside and what keeps them from jamming. Somebody suggested that it is gravity, but I am not convinced. Those feed strips sometimes look like a roller coaster.
Best regards, Alexey
A nice term. It just doesn't explain what propels the rounds inside and what keeps them from jamming. Somebody suggested that it is gravity, but I am not convinced. Those feed strips sometimes look like a roller coaster.
Best regards, Alexey
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