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An addition to the double barreled shotgun ejectors mentioned earlier. There are automatic ejectors also. They eject only the fired shell when the breech is opened. The unfired shell is just extracted from the chamber.
The single trigger double barrel can be a selective or non selective model. The selective trigger models have a switch, usually the safety, which you can set for selecting which barrel to fire first.
The single trigger double barrel can be a selective or non selective model. The selective trigger models have a switch, usually the safety, which you can set for selecting which barrel to fire first.
P95Carry
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Good point there majic, re the selective aspect. My Citori Hunter was just that - selection thru safety .. and very nice feature too.
But to add .. another way that exists is like on my Russian Baikal ... here the trigger is pushed fwd a tad .. to change from default bottom barrel, to top. Bit awkward but it works.
But to add .. another way that exists is like on my Russian Baikal ... here the trigger is pushed fwd a tad .. to change from default bottom barrel, to top. Bit awkward but it works.
Different manufactors did nice jobs in hiding the switches. I have an old Elsie Ideal Grade with a SST and the switch is on the right side of the trigger. You have to turn the gun over to see it, but it can be readily felt with your triger finger. It was somewhat of a surprise for me to find it there, but it really is very easy to use.
MicroBalrog
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Gun Control: A liberal’s perspective.
Let me preface this short piece by stating that I am by no means a republican. In fact, even seeing the faces of George Bush and his entourage makes me
almost physically sick. I’m no libertarian either – my support for public education, income taxes, welfare and Medicaid has turned me into a black sheep among die-hard Emerson Ngu wannabes. I personally identify myself as liberal – or, as the die-hard Hillarites designate this particular model of liberal, a left-libertarian. (Whatever… ).
I raise the ire of my fellow liberals by many things (I might be the universal champion in the art of annoying people), but mainly by my total and blanket opposition to almost any forms of gun control. I would be totally fine in a land where any sane adult could walk into a gun store and purchase a machinegun, a pair of grenades, pay for them with his credit card (or cash) and walk out and carry them around town. There’s a lot you should learn about gun control, but here’s two facts you should know:
1)In 2003, the Center for Disease Control published a study in which they said that none of the previously published studies has been able to prove that gun control causes a reduction in gun crime or gun accidents. Other studies, published by researchers in Russia, the UK, Australia, Canada and the USA have pointed out the very same thing previously – namely that gun control did not decrease violent crime, and some even claimed that gun control increases it. Up to the date of this article (December 5th, 2003), no research upholding gun control has survived peer correction. That means that even if you disagree with those who claim gun control increases violent crime, there’s still no proof whatsoever it decreases it. Therefore, we must agree that, as far as current research goes, gun control has no proven benefit.
2) “On January 8, 2003 the BATF conducted a search at the residence of Mark S. Lancaster in Mt. Juliet, Tennessee (located just outside of Nashville). Lancaster was arrested after they found several machine guns that had been assembled from parts kits (mainly WWII era). That was all...nothing more. He had not been selling these machine guns, using them in a crime, and he had not been involved with drugs or terrorism. He simply had them in his home.“ Mark Lancaster was then indicted with “One count of possession of NFA firearms (machine guns), one count of knowingly engaging in a business as a manufacturer of NFA firearms, one count of possessing NFA firearms without paying the special occupational tax required for the business, and another possession of NFA firearms charge. The indictment states that he had 15 machine guns, but it was apparently also counting guns that didn’t work and/or weren’t even put together.†The “engaging in business†part is certainly the most idiotic, being that even according to the ATF he didn’t sell even one machinegun.
Lancaster was therefore simply collecting exotic weapons. That was his crime, for which he was facing charges that could bring about up to 40 years of imprisonment, huge fines, and, finally, a total loss of all gun rights. Mark Lancaster, a gun collector, will never be able to own a .22 rife – till the end of his life, even if he’s only sentenced to one day in prison – just the same as a violent criminal.
It is said that there were several violations of due process in the procurement of his search warrant. It doesn’t matter. Let us assume for a moment that Mark Lancaster is guilty as charged. Maybe what Wylie says is untrue about them machineguns. Maybe he did in fact have 15 new-in-the-box M2 heavy machineguns in his basement, ready to roll. Even then, however, the fact stays that he was accused of no violent crime or intent to commit one.
Now, here’s the question: It is known to us that there’s no proven benefit to gun control. None. Zilch. Nada. What, then, is the moral justification for doing that? Why put a man in prison for fourty years? And what is the moral justification for doing that to hundreds of other Mark Lancasters every year?
Remember, a ban is always violence. Every law banning something has a cop or ATF agent enforcing it. A person who supports a ban, supports its enforcement - otherwise, what’s the point? So if you support gun control, you support Mark Lancaster being put away, the ATF going on kitten-stomping sprees, and all them other “excessesâ€. And for some people, the excesses get very violent. Remember that minor incident in 1993 when over 70 people got burned alive? The search warrant on the Branch Davidians was on charges of letting a non-US citizen have access to a firearm. Was it worth it to lead an all-out assault on Waco, guns blazing? And I don’t care how crazy Koresh was. Crazy people have a right to life, too, you know.
And you support banning people from having machineguns. You support giving ATF more and more power to do those things. You support the imprisonment of Mark Lancaster. You support Waco. Now would you please tell me why you’re supporting those things?
Let me preface this short piece by stating that I am by no means a republican. In fact, even seeing the faces of George Bush and his entourage makes me
almost physically sick. I’m no libertarian either – my support for public education, income taxes, welfare and Medicaid has turned me into a black sheep among die-hard Emerson Ngu wannabes. I personally identify myself as liberal – or, as the die-hard Hillarites designate this particular model of liberal, a left-libertarian. (Whatever… ).
I raise the ire of my fellow liberals by many things (I might be the universal champion in the art of annoying people), but mainly by my total and blanket opposition to almost any forms of gun control. I would be totally fine in a land where any sane adult could walk into a gun store and purchase a machinegun, a pair of grenades, pay for them with his credit card (or cash) and walk out and carry them around town. There’s a lot you should learn about gun control, but here’s two facts you should know:
1)In 2003, the Center for Disease Control published a study in which they said that none of the previously published studies has been able to prove that gun control causes a reduction in gun crime or gun accidents. Other studies, published by researchers in Russia, the UK, Australia, Canada and the USA have pointed out the very same thing previously – namely that gun control did not decrease violent crime, and some even claimed that gun control increases it. Up to the date of this article (December 5th, 2003), no research upholding gun control has survived peer correction. That means that even if you disagree with those who claim gun control increases violent crime, there’s still no proof whatsoever it decreases it. Therefore, we must agree that, as far as current research goes, gun control has no proven benefit.
2) “On January 8, 2003 the BATF conducted a search at the residence of Mark S. Lancaster in Mt. Juliet, Tennessee (located just outside of Nashville). Lancaster was arrested after they found several machine guns that had been assembled from parts kits (mainly WWII era). That was all...nothing more. He had not been selling these machine guns, using them in a crime, and he had not been involved with drugs or terrorism. He simply had them in his home.“ Mark Lancaster was then indicted with “One count of possession of NFA firearms (machine guns), one count of knowingly engaging in a business as a manufacturer of NFA firearms, one count of possessing NFA firearms without paying the special occupational tax required for the business, and another possession of NFA firearms charge. The indictment states that he had 15 machine guns, but it was apparently also counting guns that didn’t work and/or weren’t even put together.†The “engaging in business†part is certainly the most idiotic, being that even according to the ATF he didn’t sell even one machinegun.
Lancaster was therefore simply collecting exotic weapons. That was his crime, for which he was facing charges that could bring about up to 40 years of imprisonment, huge fines, and, finally, a total loss of all gun rights. Mark Lancaster, a gun collector, will never be able to own a .22 rife – till the end of his life, even if he’s only sentenced to one day in prison – just the same as a violent criminal.
It is said that there were several violations of due process in the procurement of his search warrant. It doesn’t matter. Let us assume for a moment that Mark Lancaster is guilty as charged. Maybe what Wylie says is untrue about them machineguns. Maybe he did in fact have 15 new-in-the-box M2 heavy machineguns in his basement, ready to roll. Even then, however, the fact stays that he was accused of no violent crime or intent to commit one.
Now, here’s the question: It is known to us that there’s no proven benefit to gun control. None. Zilch. Nada. What, then, is the moral justification for doing that? Why put a man in prison for fourty years? And what is the moral justification for doing that to hundreds of other Mark Lancasters every year?
Remember, a ban is always violence. Every law banning something has a cop or ATF agent enforcing it. A person who supports a ban, supports its enforcement - otherwise, what’s the point? So if you support gun control, you support Mark Lancaster being put away, the ATF going on kitten-stomping sprees, and all them other “excessesâ€. And for some people, the excesses get very violent. Remember that minor incident in 1993 when over 70 people got burned alive? The search warrant on the Branch Davidians was on charges of letting a non-US citizen have access to a firearm. Was it worth it to lead an all-out assault on Waco, guns blazing? And I don’t care how crazy Koresh was. Crazy people have a right to life, too, you know.
And you support banning people from having machineguns. You support giving ATF more and more power to do those things. You support the imprisonment of Mark Lancaster. You support Waco. Now would you please tell me why you’re supporting those things?
Lord Grey Boots
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SxS = Side By Side, as in Side by Side Shotgun (ie, its not a brand or specific model name).
Info on the selection and installation of gunsafes is always good info to have.
The tacked thread on "buying a used revolver" in the revolver forum would be a good addition.
Info on the selection and installation of gunsafes is always good info to have.
The tacked thread on "buying a used revolver" in the revolver forum would be a good addition.
Alexey931
Member
This thread is sinking
Pax:
This thread won't do it's job because of two unfortunate curcumstances: 1. The thread is sinking 2. It's swamped with offtopic
I'd like to suggest: 1. to make it float 2. to issue a special warning to keep on topic. After all, it's a special thread.
MicroBalrog:
Your latest post here is very nice, I agree 100 per cent, but where does it relate to topic even to the remotest degree
?
Pax:
This thread won't do it's job because of two unfortunate curcumstances: 1. The thread is sinking 2. It's swamped with offtopic
I'd like to suggest: 1. to make it float 2. to issue a special warning to keep on topic. After all, it's a special thread.
MicroBalrog:
Your latest post here is very nice, I agree 100 per cent, but where does it relate to topic even to the remotest degree
?Chuck Dye
Member
I would appreciate one or more book lists.
My current need is for recommended reading on CCW, both the practical side, and the legal side. I can see the utility of a book list for almost all of the sub forums.
My current need is for recommended reading on CCW, both the practical side, and the legal side. I can see the utility of a book list for almost all of the sub forums.
Alexey931
Member
Conditions
Conditions of a gun. Ready to fire, cocked and locked, halfcocked, etc. Would anybody care to submit a full list of these conditions conforming to the most universally accepted presentation and wording? How do the differences in design of particular handguns get adapted to (some guns get decocked when locked, some are revolvers )
BTW, different States have very different legal definitions of what constitutes a loaded gun. To my somewhat outdated knowledge, Nevada and Colorado lay down that a gun is loaded whenever a round is in the chamber. How is it supposed to be applied to revolvers?
Best regards
Conditions of a gun. Ready to fire, cocked and locked, halfcocked, etc. Would anybody care to submit a full list of these conditions conforming to the most universally accepted presentation and wording? How do the differences in design of particular handguns get adapted to (some guns get decocked when locked, some are revolvers
)BTW, different States have very different legal definitions of what constitutes a loaded gun. To my somewhat outdated knowledge, Nevada and Colorado lay down that a gun is loaded whenever a round is in the chamber. How is it supposed to be applied to revolvers?
Best regards
Alexey931
Member
A question/contribution
THC: tetrahydrocannabinol; marijuana working agent
HDC: ?
SMG: ?
LMG: ?
HMG: ?
CHL: ?
Best regards
THC: tetrahydrocannabinol; marijuana working agent
HDC: ?
SMG: ?
LMG: ?
HMG: ?
CHL: ?
Best regards
P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
Alexey ......
Alexey931
Member
Is it a blatantly dumb question? I checked the Acronyms, found nothing
Best regards
I'm not sure, but I'm going to guess "Home Defense Carbine".
About what qualifies as "loaded", the wise thing to do, if you're really considering trying to skirt the law, is to consult a lawyer. Chances are, there's case law on the subject and only a lawyer who deals with firearms law is going to be able to provide you with accurate information. I would guess that "round in the chamber" means one pull of the trigger will fire the gun. I don't like the idea of putting legal advice in the Library, even if the advice is prefixed with "TINLA".
About what qualifies as "loaded", the wise thing to do, if you're really considering trying to skirt the law, is to consult a lawyer. Chances are, there's case law on the subject and only a lawyer who deals with firearms law is going to be able to provide you with accurate information. I would guess that "round in the chamber" means one pull of the trigger will fire the gun. I don't like the idea of putting legal advice in the Library, even if the advice is prefixed with "TINLA".
BluesBear
member
When referring to scopes and other optical equipment, HDC = High Definition Coating.
Volunteer Enterprises Comando Arms 45
My "BABY"
Commado Arms Mark 45, Nickel Plated, 30 round magazine.
Just got mailed a copy of the owners manual from a buddy at another web site. Volunteer Enterprises, Inc. offered a 1 year warranty, just like Kahr does now plus a 90 round magazine
Disassembly: (for the few I asked but didn't know how)
1. Remove the 2 buttstock screws, remove buttstock
2. A large slotted screw is revealed underneath lower receiver, remove it.
3. Upper and lower receiver detach, NO flying parts or springs
4. Loosen Allen head screw located on rear sight guard...caution rear plug is under recoil spring tension, once screw is removed hold/ease out plug and recoil spring.
5. Slide bolt rearward and align cocking knob with cutout in upper receiver and remove.
6. Bolt can now be slid out the rear of the receiver.
No further disassembly is recomended or required. All parts can be easily cleaned/oiled. All metal parts are steel (magnet test). Design and quality of parts are on a par with a Marlin Camp 9 or 45 carbine. Takes about as long to disassemble as it does to read this. Seems to have shallow micro-groove rifling but in this case the relatively slow 45 ACP shot just fine with lead reloads and NO leading of the barrel! No hammer, firing pin operates by striker. Fires from a closed bolt and has 16.5 inch barrel.
My "BABY"
Commado Arms Mark 45, Nickel Plated, 30 round magazine.
Just got mailed a copy of the owners manual from a buddy at another web site. Volunteer Enterprises, Inc. offered a 1 year warranty, just like Kahr does now plus a 90 round magazine
Disassembly: (for the few I asked but didn't know how)
1. Remove the 2 buttstock screws, remove buttstock
2. A large slotted screw is revealed underneath lower receiver, remove it.
3. Upper and lower receiver detach, NO flying parts or springs
4. Loosen Allen head screw located on rear sight guard...caution rear plug is under recoil spring tension, once screw is removed hold/ease out plug and recoil spring.
5. Slide bolt rearward and align cocking knob with cutout in upper receiver and remove.
6. Bolt can now be slid out the rear of the receiver.
No further disassembly is recomended or required. All parts can be easily cleaned/oiled. All metal parts are steel (magnet test). Design and quality of parts are on a par with a Marlin Camp 9 or 45 carbine. Takes about as long to disassemble as it does to read this. Seems to have shallow micro-groove rifling but in this case the relatively slow 45 ACP shot just fine with lead reloads and NO leading of the barrel! No hammer, firing pin operates by striker. Fires from a closed bolt and has 16.5 inch barrel.
Alexey931
Member
Firing pin vs striker
What precisely is the firing pin and what is the striker. The quotation is more or less suggestive, of course, but the formal definitions would be very welcome.
Best regards
What precisely is the firing pin and what is the striker. The quotation is more or less suggestive, of course, but the formal definitions would be very welcome.
Best regards
BluesBear
member
The simple definition is that a striker is a spring loaded firing pin.
Instead of a hammer hitting the firing pin, the striker is held back under spring pressure and when released by pulling the trigger, hits the primer and fires the cartridge.
Instead of a hammer hitting the firing pin, the striker is held back under spring pressure and when released by pulling the trigger, hits the primer and fires the cartridge.
BluesBear
member
Could we PLEASE in the definations section explain the difference between the nouns OUGHT and 'AUGHT
There is NO SUCH THING as Double-Ought buckshot !
'aught as used in buckshot sized is derived frim the woird NAUGHT
Main Entry: naught
Pronunciation: 'not
Function: noun
Date: before 12th century
1 : NOTHINGNESS, NONEXISTENCE
2 : the arithmetical symbol 0 : ZERO, CIPHER
Main Entry: aught
Pronunciation: 'ot
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration (resulting from false division of a naught) of naught
Date: 1872
1 : ZERO, CIPHER
2 archaic : NONENTITY, NOTHING
Main Entry: ought
Pronunciation: 'ot
Function: noun
Date: 1678
: moral obligation : DUTY
There is NO SUCH THING as Double-Ought buckshot !
'aught as used in buckshot sized is derived frim the woird NAUGHT
Main Entry: naught
Pronunciation: 'not
Function: noun
Date: before 12th century
1 : NOTHINGNESS, NONEXISTENCE
2 : the arithmetical symbol 0 : ZERO, CIPHER
Main Entry: aught
Pronunciation: 'ot
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration (resulting from false division of a naught) of naught
Date: 1872
1 : ZERO, CIPHER
2 archaic : NONENTITY, NOTHING
Main Entry: ought
Pronunciation: 'ot
Function: noun
Date: 1678
: moral obligation : DUTY
FINAL CALL
Final call: we need short, succinct definitions for common gun termsto put in the TFL glossary. If you have either a term that needs defining, or a definition for someone else's suggested term, please put it here.
I think we have enough contributions for the nitpicky grammar section now.
Keep 'em coming.
pax
Final call: we need short, succinct definitions for common gun termsto put in the TFL glossary. If you have either a term that needs defining, or a definition for someone else's suggested term, please put it here.
I think we have enough contributions for the nitpicky grammar section now.
Keep 'em coming.
pax
MagKnightX
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What is a press check?
El Tejon
Member
Blues, people here ought to know the difference!
Mag, press check: a procedure or technique done to a small arm to ensure the ready status (i.e. loaded or unloaded) of the weapon, usually involves retracting the bolt or slide of the weapon and determining status by visual (if possible) and tactile means. Maybe be used as noun or verb.
Pet peeve: stop using Class 3 when you mean Title II. It's driving me nuts, you guys.
Mag, press check: a procedure or technique done to a small arm to ensure the ready status (i.e. loaded or unloaded) of the weapon, usually involves retracting the bolt or slide of the weapon and determining status by visual (if possible) and tactile means. Maybe be used as noun or verb.
Pet peeve: stop using Class 3 when you mean Title II. It's driving me nuts, you guys.
El Tejon
Member
Someone wanted the five conditions. Here ya go:
Condition 4: Weapon unloaded, loaded mag out of weapon.
Condition 3: chamber empty, magazine loaded in weapon.
Condition 2. chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer down.
Condition 1: chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer cocked, safety engaged.
Condition 0: chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer cocked, safety disengaged.
Condition Tejon: mild state of pique, feeling of need to exercise, telephone loaded and engaged.
Condition 4: Weapon unloaded, loaded mag out of weapon.
Condition 3: chamber empty, magazine loaded in weapon.
Condition 2. chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer down.
Condition 1: chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer cocked, safety engaged.
Condition 0: chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer cocked, safety disengaged.
Condition Tejon: mild state of pique, feeling of need to exercise, telephone loaded and engaged.
BluesBear
member
For the DA auto pistols i.e. Walther & S&W
How about a Condition 1½: chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer down, safety on.
How about a Condition 1½: chamber loaded, magazine loaded in weapon, hammer down, safety on.
MagKnightX
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What about BA/UU/R? Whazzat? (sorry, BluesBear)
Chuck Dye
Member
RE Pax's last call:
MAGGIE’S DRAWERS - Not exactly a gun term, but shooting related, Maggie’s Drawers is the nickname of the red flag held aloft by target pit spotters in formal long range matches. Maggie’s Drawers signal a compete miss, a shot that did not even make the paper. Also a suitable term for other "shots" (see your dictionary’s definition of sniper) that completely miss the mark, as in discussions of many of the topics appearing on The High Road. I would welcome a Maggie’s Drawers icon for the thread header, perhaps replacing the Thumb(s) Down icon.
MAGGIE’S DRAWERS - Not exactly a gun term, but shooting related, Maggie’s Drawers is the nickname of the red flag held aloft by target pit spotters in formal long range matches. Maggie’s Drawers signal a compete miss, a shot that did not even make the paper. Also a suitable term for other "shots" (see your dictionary’s definition of sniper) that completely miss the mark, as in discussions of many of the topics appearing on The High Road. I would welcome a Maggie’s Drawers icon for the thread header, perhaps replacing the Thumb(s) Down icon.
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