Ranger Ammo? Anybody CCW with it?

[K40]

I understand Winchester has their own policy concerning the sale of Ranger ammunition: it is only sold to military and law enforcement, but there are no laws restricting it for civilian use, so there is nothing wrong with buying, selling or owning it.

What I am wondering is this: would it be wise to load your daily carry piece with this ammo? How would the use of this ammo in a self defense situation effect the subsequent legal outcome?

It sounds like good ammo, and I wouldn't mind carrying it...available here:

http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=684

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

That seems awfully cheap for SD ammo.

 

[Mortech]

They also sale it to other wholeseller outfits so getting it is no problem . I carry the 9MM 127gr +P+ in my S&W 3913 , it sure packs a wallop ! The recoil kind of reminds me of shooting 357Mag in my Taurus , the first time I shot it I thought I broke someting or it was loaded incorrectly .

 

[hotpig]

I sale more of it to non LE than I do to LE.

 

[aguyindallas]

Yep, it rides in my CCW G23 and my home defense G22.

 

[orionengnr]

Yup, I use the 127+p+ in my 9mms and the 230+p in my 3" 1911 45s.
When I find it at a good price ($20 for 9 or $25 for 45) I buy a bunch. I use it in all my CCW pistols, burning up whatever is in the mag every 60 days or so.

 

[Aaryq]

No I do not carry Ranger...however, as soon as I start to carry, I'll get some. My father was a military policeman for 14 years, a police officer for 22 years and a Sheriff since November. He's been to more schools about law enforcement than I can count. If he trusts his life with Ranger, I'll do the same. Once I go back to ND on leave, I'll get my CCL. I doubt I can carry in PRK, but everywhere else I'm allowed to go by law, there will be Rangers in my piece.

 

[ZeSpectre]

+1 for Ranger SXT in .40 Smith & Wesson

 

[K40]

I guess it is more popular than I thought

Does anyone think using this ammo would cause problems in court, espcially after a SD incident?

 

[hotpig]

They can make a issue out of anything in court. The gun,caliber, bullet, your training or lack of training.

Why did you murder the bad guy instead of running, calling the police,giving him what he wanted, or shooting to wound him.

 

[Condition Plaid]

I carry it in my Kimber Compact CDP II and my S&W 4013.

 

[DomMega]

Thanks a lot bud, you just cost me $56 for a box of .40 and .45!! Haha.

I thought I read an article a few months back talking about how the government banned the sale of said ammunition to private citizens. I guess I was mistaken, otherwise they would probably get in trouble for selling it to us law-abiding folk.

 

[obxned]

Ranger 230gr SXT +P for me!

 

[mjb]

I use the Winchester Ranger 155 gr .40 in my Beretta 9000.

 

[03Shadowbob]

I use Ranger in my .40 and .45. Love the stuff but also have fond places in my heart for Gold Dot and Remington Golden Sabres.

 

[Arkady]

The Ranger T ammo is what I carry in all of my guns, except for my K frames.
Very good quality, and all of the ballistics gel tests I've seen seemed to be favorable.

As to it coming up in court? Ranger T is what all of the departments around here carry--if it passed muster with them, I don't see that I can reasonably be accused of trying to inflict undue harm or anything.

 

[ZeSpectre]

As to it coming up in court? Ranger T is what all of the departments around here carry--if it passed muster with them, I don't see that I can reasonably be accused of trying to inflict undue harm or anything.

Precisely my line of thinking.

 

[NavyLCDR]

If ammunition is legal to purchase and/or reload/handload and possess, it has no bearing upon the outcome of a court case involving a shooting. There is one reason and one reason only to fire a gun at a person, and that is to result in their death. Period, end of sentence, there is no shooting with the intent to injure. With the one exception, that I can think of, being rubber bullets or bean bags used by professionals in an attempt to subdue a crowd or individual in a non-lethal manner, but that certainly wouldn't apply to a citizen shooting.

That being said, your defense in court would be if you were justified in the shooting. Nevada law seems to be rather weak in this area:

NRS 200.200 Killing in self-defense. If a person kills another in self-defense, it must appear that:
1. The danger was so urgent and pressing that, in order to save his own life, or to prevent his receiving great bodily harm, the killing of the other was absolutely necessary; and
2. The person killed was the assailant, or that the slayer had really, and in good faith, endeavored to decline any further struggle before the mortal blow was given.

That truly sucks.... I love Oklahoma law much better, it specifically spells out that if a person illegally enters your home, you have, by law, a defined expectation that the perpetrator has intent to do you harm and you may shoot them. There is also a "stand your ground" law that says you may shoot anyone, anywhere you can legally be, if you have reasonable expectation that they will kill or cause grevious injury to yourself or others or will forcibly commit a felony, and there is no requirement to attempt to retreat first.

Anyway, the only handgun bullets prohibited in by Nevade law are handgun bullets designed for metal penetration.

 

[El Tejon]

Used to carry it when they called it Black Talon. Decent bullet. Sold only to law enforcement? It's sold over the counter here. Maybe just your state restricts it?

Prefer Black Hills ammo.

 

[MJZZZ]

Ranger T is my choice for SD ammo also. RA45T .45 and RA9124TP +P 9mm. Mike

 

[groundedclk]

I use that ammo in my desk Sig 229, as well in my nightstand Beretta 92. For carry ammo I have to say I use Hornady TAP.

 

[Myrdhyn]

I carry real black talons (i.e. silver casing and lubalox coating..yeah yeah no real performance difference...but it makes me feel special) but only b/c I'm too lazy to go buy some hydrashoks and I already have the black talons

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I don't carrry it personally, however, I have considered it since they are priced decently enough to allow more range time with the carry ammo. Familiarity/experience with carry ammo is an important thing to me and if you can get decent performance and save a few bucks, it is worth looking at.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

I carry it in the g23. Passed the function and accuracy test and it cost less than some of the other brands I like (gold dot, golden saber, etc.). I don't think it would give you any problems of being "uber-killer-asassin ammo" if it's what the PD uses or used.

 

[MJZZZ]

I carried Hornady TAP for a long while, but at $16 for 20 shots against $25 for 50 shots it was a no brainer. The original Black Talon round is several generations behind the current version of the SXT, they are now just a novelty round. Although they would still rip you a new one, get the newest version. Mike