Real life Sitting and Standing Groups - No Fishing Stories Allowed!

[777funk]

Ok so only real groups allowed here none of the one hole groups at 300 yards standing from the back of a truck bed while moving at 30 miles an hour in a bumpy farm field.

Ok that said, what kind of groups to you expect out of yourself shooting any rifle with any optics in the following catagories at 100 yards:

-Standing

-Sitting

-Kneeling

-Bench Rest

I've only shot bench rest for the most part at that distance. I can get 2" groups at times. I can probably do better with better ammo (blame it on the equipment... lol). But this was with a scoped Mosin sighting it in last deer season with surplus rounds, I've since sold that gun. I felt it was great for the money. I shot the same groups as a friend with a Browning A-Bolt and factory Federal hunting rounds. I'd think if he would have had better ammo, the A-Bolt should have taken me to the cleaners.

I'll have to get standing, sitting, and kneeling stats next time I get a chance to go out. And... I need more practice! But curious what I should shoot for in those positions? I guess fishing stories isn't the word for it... fishing stories get bigger. With shot groups we're obviosly stretching it towards smaller if we exagerate. I guess it's internet commando stories is what I meant. lol.

 

[LJH]

I am not sure of your personal goals but as long as I can hit a 6" target I feel my shooting is good enough. So here ya go.

Standing (unsupported) - About 4 to 6" groupings are all I can do. I don’t shoot this way and it shows.
Sitting - I can average 3 to 4” groups.
Kneeling – about the same as sitting.
Bench or other support – Less than 1” or almost as good as the rifle I am using.

And just for fun, at 30mph on a bumpy road I can manage MOB. That is Minute Of Barn.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Shot my AR over the weekend to zero a new optic.

Position: prone, supported.
Distance: 100 yards.
10 shots.
Three groups of three plus one flier that I pulled.
6" target.
The three groups of three were about 2.5" groups.

 

[Captcurt]

Offhand I am lucky to hit a barn. I have seen some friends that shoot 3" groups offhand at 100 yards with Hawken style muzzle loaders. We are talking open sights here. Impressed the crap out of me.

 

[ironworkerwill]

When shooting off handed I think may have Parkinson's disease. Off a bench I can shoot sub moa gun permitting.

 

[777funk]

Captcurt, That is impressive with the muzzle loaders.

My dad used to be able to shoot tight groups with cheap remington sluggers out of a 20 gauge Browning A5. He probably still could if he put his mind to it.

 

[courtgreene]

I'll be the first to admit that I am not a great shooter. I do well enough, but don't practice enough, drink way too much caffein, and have restless legs that don't stop for long. However, seeing the wording of your post, it appears you're looking for the common man and not stellar shots. That's me! Usually I don't speak on "how big's your johns... I mean shot group?" threads, but I will today.
standing: usually 2.5-3 with my most consistent gun shooting five shot groups. Not always, but usually. And with most of my guns, we're looking at 3-4"
sitting- I've only done it once, scoped Mosin Nagant, 4"
kneeling- I tend to do this a lot, but I'm not sure why. 2"
benchrest- With the aforementioned most consistent gun, usually under 1". With aforementioned Mosin Nagant, Usually 1.5" on a great day.
You didn't ask for it, but Prone is the same as benchrest just on the ground. At least it feels that way to me.

 

[sixgunner455]

I don't usually do extended amounts of position shooting at 100 yards, but I have been doing quite a bit of it with my .22 at 25 and 50 yards. At 100 yards, I usually do prone, supported and unsupported. My prone support is usually a rucksack.

Benchrest is always supported, but you can shoot from a bench unsupported - IOW, the rifle is only supported by the shooter when it is "unsupported", but can be supported by cushions, fixtures, etc when fired supported.

 

[777funk]

I don't usually do extended amounts of position shooting at 100 yards, but I have been doing quite a bit of it with my .22 at 25 and 50 yards. At 100 yards, I usually do prone, supported and unsupported. My prone support is usually a rucksack.

Benchrest is always supported, but you can shoot from a bench unsupported - IOW, the rifle is only supported by the shooter when it is "unsupported", but can be supported by cushions, fixtures, etc when fired supported.

I have an old Gamo pellet gun with which at 70 yards, I can shoot a pop can EVERY time if I do the following:
-Prop gun up using blocks of wood to where the scope is dead center on the can.
-ONLY touch the trigger and squeeze without touching the gun or pulling in any way

just for fun or to show off when I shoot with friends, at times I'll shoot with this method while looking the other way and a step away from the bench. Still hits the can without even looking at the target or through the scope.

Surprisingly this is the most accurate way I've found to shoot this rifle (.177 pellets). It's all over the place if I hang on tight at the bench and it's a little more accurate if I let it do it's thing with the spring recoil. But it's the MOST accurate with no contact other than trigger. It's pretty amazing actually for being an airgun. Even the cheapest Crosman pellets at $2.79 a tin shoot great. 100 yards is a little bit beyond the accuracy range. Things start to drop off with it's efficiency, but I can still hit big cans (steel paint cans) at 100.

 

[juk]

I managed a 1.3" 10 shot group at 50 yards, standing with no support, with my CZ 452's factory sights. I believe I was shooting Federal bulk 22LR.

 

[SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE]

hey 777 you should look up what is called the artillery hold for air guns ! Ya gotta let them move for to aft so they don't lift or pull ! Kevin

 

[jim243]

Standing unsupported (unless you consider a sling a support) 2 inch groups, sitting 1 inch groups, benchrest less than .5 moa. But I only shoot my own reloads, haven't bought commercial ammo in 6 years or more (except 22LR).

Now fishing stories, I can't help you with, haven't gone fishing in ten years, now my 4 year old, she catches woppers every time she goes. If you don't believe me, just ask her (LOL)

Jim

 

[DenverNova]

I just got a 700 SPS varmint, put a B&C Medalist stock on it, with a millett trs-1, in .223. After a few days of shooting I shot this target. It's 5 3 shot groups, fifteen shots with an average of .45 MOA and a best group of .21 MOA. The first group is the wide one, off a cold bore. It seems to shoot best when warm for about 6-7 shots, then spreads a little as it heats up more.

I was on a bench, bipod, no rear support. I learned to shoot with open sights out to 500 in the marines, I don't feel like 100 yards is very far. I'm sure my offhand would be just awful, as the rifle weighs probably 13 pounds. But I bet I can get a good sitting group.

 

[Strafer]

I recommend googling project appleseed to get their info on learning how to shoot accurately. I bought his packet of targets and manual and it helped me although I have not practiced his methods in quite some time. He is an interesting guy, advocating that we all become excellent shooters from all positions to follow in the footsteps of our revolutionary forefathers and minutemen.

 

[Boxhead]

My last two sitting one shot groups.

 

[sixgunner455]

Now those are some tusks!

 

[Malamute]

Not spectacular, but useful I guess.

When sittng, I can generally get 2 1/2" or under, depending on how hard I try. Prone with bipod can sometimes go under an inch with good loads. I practice mostly offhand, and can generally hit the 24" plate @ 600 yards 1 or 2 times per 5 rds (once in a while better) with a Ruger 77 in 308 cal w/4X scope and ball ammo. The 300 yard plate at 16" can generally do 2-3 hits per 5, and cold often do a bit better with an AR when I had one at either distance. This all assumes I've been shooting some recently. When you don't keep in practice, it fades away to a degree.

 

[aka108]

My legs got sort of f'ed up awhile back so all my shooting is off the bench with the forend rested but no rear bags. Getting into a kneeling or sitting positon is not a problem. Getting up however is a bitch so I don't do it. I doubt any of my off hand shooting would be worth a diddle so why waste ammo.

 

[kBob]

Go to a CMP Match. Look at the targets.......

If you believe that subtense shooting means anything I seem to recall that the 50 foot indoor .22 rifle targets required about 2 moa shooting to break 85 of 100 pounts. Lots of college shooters did that standing and not a few highschoolers.

When one s in decent shape and practice there is not a lot of difference between unsupported prone with a sling and sitting the same.

-kBob