Rebore a .308 to 338 Federal?

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My Henry single shot .308 has never been all that accurate. Bought it new in Jan. 2019 and its had a total of 344 rounds through it since day one. Wondering if it could be rebored, rechambered to 338 Federal as a short to medium range deer gun? Thought about 35 Remington but that's probably too much bullet diameter for a 30 cal. barrel (?). 338 Federal is based on a .308 case so it wouldn't require major rechambering. Anyone out there ever had this type of work done? My experience with reboring and re-rifling is zero. Just wondering about the feasibility issues on this. At least I can remove and replace the barrel myself versus doing that on a bolt action.
 
Usually 30 cal barrels can be rebored to 35 cal. It’s all about wall thickness. If the diameter of the muzzle of your barrel is ..650 or more then it can be done. I think JES might even do barrels smaller than that. Maybe down to .600 for 35 cal. It seems like I read somewhere that many like around .100 wall thickness which would require .200 more than bore size.
 
35 rem would be cool but would never work, and could have extractor problems. So 358win if you want a 35. If making it a round based off the 308 case there's still a chance to have to much head space and nothing can be done on the gun to fix, not sure if they can fit the barrel on there machine so would have to see about that. I'd your not a big 338 fan then I don't think the federal would be the best idea.
 
I’d make sure it’s the barrel that causing the accuracy issues and not a bedding or some other issue.I don’t know much about the Henry single shots and any way to improve accuracy but I’d hate to spend the money and end up with a inaccurate .338 or .358
 
JES Gunsmithing, (Reboring), is the name of the company. www.35caliber.com
Most likely the barrel can be rebored to .338Fed., but you’ll likely find it to be a strictly reloading situation as factory ammo is rare.

I too would recommend the .358Win.
But first try sending it back to Henry...
 
Only thing I still wonder about is if there are issues with the forend that could affect accuracy. Much like I have heard about on some Ruger #1's. It's had 4 different scope and ring combinations on it, all have been checked and the problem persists. Even with the factory iron sights it behaves the same when fired off a solid rest with known accuracy .308 handloads. And yes; it went back to Henry a couple years ago for the trigger and hammer recall they had. Trigger is now better; hammer is easier to cock but still no accuracy improvement. When it went in for the recall, I found out that it would only be there for the recall work and nothing more, as they had folks concentrating on recall work. I'm the original owner of this and still have all my receipts and the original box. I may contact Henry and see if I can discuss it with someone familiar with these guns. Why rebore if there is a bedding problem or some other malady affecting it? If it were to be rebored, I also like that 358 Win. suggestion. Got plenty of .308 brass, just need dies.
 
Personally, I like the 338 Federal better than the 358, you will need to reload no matter which one you choose.

SR
 
Contact Henry and see if they will rebarrel it with a new barrel. As a general rule, I am leery of bored out barrels. Usually bored out barrels are barrels that are shot out and thus, have been through one lifetime. Boring a barrel out removes material. I have two identical F34 contour Green Mountain barrels, one in 35 Whelen, and the other in 30-06. The 30-06 barrel weighs 3 lbs 2 oz and the 35 Whelen weighs 2 lbs 15 oz. Based on my measurements, the F34 barrel follows the SAKO Finnbear barrel contour

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Anyway, there is four ounce difference in barrel weight. I believe Green Mountain looked at their F34 barrel wall thickness and calculated that the hoop stresses were OK with the 35 Whelen. You need to be sure it is OK before you have your barrel thinned. And, I am going to claim, the best thing to do is have Henry rebarrel your rifle with the barrel of your choice. There might be funnies in barrel bands, forend attachments that are specific to your caliber.
 
The problem with the 338 federal isn't the round it's the 338s bullets construction.
That really isn't true, there's plenty of .338 bullets that expand well at Federal velocities these days...

Although I do keep hearing that old myth being repeated over and over by those that don't have any experience trying them for themselves.

DM
 
Contact Henry and see if they will rebarrel it with a new barrel. As a general rule, I am leery of bored out barrels.
I've had more than 20 bbls rebored and not one of them had any problems at all, all of them were accurate and held up just fine.

I have no problem at all with a "quality" rebore.

DM
 
Just because it CAN be done doesn't mean it is a good idea. I don't see this as cost effective. The problem is most likely the lock up of the action and not the barrel. You can spend a lot of money for a re-bore and still have an inaccurate rifle in another cartridge. I'd sell the rifle and buy a more accurate rifle in the cartridge of my choice.
 
I've had more than 20 bbls rebored and not one of them had any problems at all, all of them were accurate and held up just fine.

I have no problem at all with a "quality" rebore.

DM

On another forum there was a thread where a pre 64 owner had his 30-06 bored out and chambered for 35 Whelen. On the first shot with factory ammunition the barrel blew. There were lots of recriminations, only one of the posters suggested the barrel ruptured because it was an old barrel. That's what I believe.

Barrels are pressure vessels, they expand and contract each and every shot. A barrel made of good materials should survive one lifetime of use. Very few blow up, though rarely one does make the news. In 2001 a match M1a blew up, owned by Chris Comer and Clint McKee of Fulton Armory paid to have the barrel metallurgically analyzed. The report was on the now defunct Gun Zone. The barrel was of substandard steel, showed fatigue cracking inside the chamber, and it finally broke in half, making a most spectacular kaboom. Blew the receiver ring as I recall.

This was something I copied at the time:

Chris Comer went to the rifle range and was sighting in his match M1A with the new California-legal muzzle brake (1½ foot impact difference... higher!) He had it sighted in with Federal Match. He then decided to try some of his hoarded German .308 that he has shot hundreds of rounds of from this, as well as other, rifles.

Headstamp of unfired 7.62 X 51 / MS 66-59Close-up of the casehead of the "7.62x51" over "MS 66-59" round fired in the catastrophic failure of Springfield Armory M1A #035789. Note the backed-out primer. Click to enlarge.First round detonated, it appears, instead of ignited. The gun disintegrated and probably would now almost fit in a shoe box. Chris rolled to the left as the scope went skyward, receiver split apart, barrel split open like a banana from the breach and halfway down, stock broken foward of the pistol grip.

Close-up of the "7.62x51" over "MS 66-59" case mouth fired in the catastrophic failure of Springfield Armory M1A #030550. He was shooting the weapon off of an ammo can holding onto the magazine. His left hand and forearm were a little bloody but he could, with pain, make a fist. All five fingers were intact. If he had been holding onto the forearm as he normally would, I think he would have had a stump left or been missing a few fingers.

The headstamp on the round reads "7.62x51" over "MS 66-59."


What was reported at the time, Chris was firing at Desert Marksman Range Southern California Jan 2001

You can imagine the hundreds of posts speculating that Chris's ammunition was spiked, a bore obstruction, rats had built nests inside, etc, etc, prior to Clint McKee's report. Turns out, poor quality steel.

I watched about half of this. The owner of a BFR revolver fired 500 to 600 rounds and the barrel split. Could have been poor metal.



I think it is safest and most prudent to simple replace old, worn out barrels instead of attempting to make them go through another lifetime by boring them out. Reboring is cheaper, but you have one of those one in a million accidents, your medical deductible will far exceed any savings from the rebore job. Am I being over conservative? Maybe, but I still have my hands and eyes. Lose those and the replacements you get will not be as good as OEM eyes and hands.
 
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On another forum there was a thread where a pre 64 owner had his 30-06 bored out and chambered for 35 Whelen. On the first shot with factory ammunition the barrel blew. There were lots of recriminations, only one of the posters suggested the barrel ruptured because it was an old barrel. That's what I believe.

Barrels are pressure vessels, they expand and contract each and every shot. A barrel made of good materials should survive one lifetime of use. Very few blow up, though rarely one does make the news. In 2001 a match M1a blew up, owned by Chris Comer and Clint McKee of Fulton Armory paid to have the barrel metallurgically analyzed. The report was on the now defunct Gun Zone. The barrel was of substandard steel, showed fatigue cracking inside the chamber, and it finally broke in half, making a most spectacular kaboom. Blew the receiver ring as I recall.
The OP was NOT referring to an "old" bbl., he was asking about a modern near new rifle bbl. and changing it to a larger caliber, I see no problem at all with his bbl. getting rebored.

I'm not seeing how your answer of reboring "old wore out bbls." has anything to do with his question.

SR
 
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