Recommend a 9mm load for Steel Challenge

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Shot a practice round of steel challenge. Way fun! Got a match coming up in early December. Looking for a recommended load for 9mm steel challenge matches. There is no power factor requirement, so lots of folks are shooting light loads with just enough powder to reliably cycle in their pistols. Seems like lighter bullets and faster powders are the order of the day. Do you shoot loads that meet this criteria? Do you shoot steel challenge? What can you recommend?
 
I got a great load from @Dudedog that I love. He calls them his "Mouse Fart Loads", and I have to agree. I am shooting them through a SIG P226 Legion SAO and find them to be extremely accurate and very soft shooting.

I am using an Xtreme .380 100gr. FN bullet. (The .380 bullets have the same diameter as 9mm bullets so they work just fine.)

I am loading 4.3 gr. of HP-38 at 1.045" in mixed brass with CCI 500 primers. I think Dudedog is actually loading 4.2 gr. of HP-38, so start low and work up.

I wanted to make sure that my gun cycled 100% of the time since I am using them at Steel Challenge matches, so even though the 4.2 gr. load worked for me, I went up 0.1 gr. just to be extra safe.

I am getting about 1,000 fps out of the SIG, so about 100 Power Factor.

As always, I assume zero responsibility for the accuracy of these loads or my typing. Always use at your own risk. Start low and work up. Always check for high pressure signs. BE SAFE!!!
 
I don't shoot SC (yet) but DoubleHelix was looking for a light load for Steel. I remembered a while back I did some workups to see how low I could go in 9mm and still get 100% function.
So I worked on coming up with a minimum recoil load.
I had good results with the Xtreme 100gr RNFP and HP38. Depending on the pistol I needed between 4 and 4.2 gr to get 100% function.
DoubleHelix did some work with this combo and settled on 4.3gr of HP38(WIN231) and seemed to like it.


https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/100-gr-bullet-for-9mm-luger.828393/#post-1068354

This load is below published start charges, but I had no issues
 
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Thanks guys! I pulled the trigger (couldn't resist) on the 100 gr. XTreem .380s. Got plenty of HP-38 and some sport pistol on the way. Can't wait to try these out.
 
Thanks guys! I pulled the trigger (couldn't resist) on the 100 gr. XTreem .380s. Got plenty of HP-38 and some sport pistol on the way. Can't wait to try these out.

Awesome, you are going to love them. Very accurate as I mentioned, and the brass just basically falls to your feet rather than shooting out as a projectile! Pretty funny actually.

Just make sure you gun cycles 100% of the time, that is the key, otherwise you might have to play with some different recoil springs, which I did not want to mess with, and then forget which spring was in the gun, etc.
 
When I worked them up I started at 3.7 GR of HP38, which was to light for all my pistols. I got 100% function at 4gr in one pistol the others I needed to go to 4.2.
Factory springs in all of them.
I would start about 4.2 and load some there, some at 4.3 and 4.4. You just need to find what it takes to get 100% function in your gun, then once you have that you can try bumping up .1 or .2 and see if accuracy improves.
(once you have a 100% function # you might want to go .1 over just to be safe for matches, will still be really light compared to factory ammo)
Because you don't have a lot of bullet to deal with you want to seat them as deep as possible so you have better neck tension. This will probably mean short 1.03-1.04.
After you have some loaded I would check to make sure you have good neck tension/grip on the bullet. I just give some samples a firm rap nose down on a 2X4 to see if the OAL changes.
Or load some up minus powder and primer and cycle them thru your pistol a few times then check OAL.
They fed fine loaded short in my 1911, Sig P226 and XDs.

I get a kick out of them, hardly any muzzle flip or recoil.
Hope they work out well for you,
 
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One of my range loads that will make a good steel challenge load is 4.4gr W231/HP-38 under a 124gr FMJ bullet. It's accurate and reliable for me without excessive recoil so it's very controllable.
 
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For me, the action pistol events are an opportunity to gain skills that may be useful in self-defense. I also prefer to simplify reloading and ammo flow issues by having one cost-effective practice load for Steel Challenge, IDPA, USPSA, and multi-gun. The same load has been tested to feed and function in a number of 9mms belonging to friends and family: 115 grain bullet and 4.5 grains of TiteGroup. Accuracy and functioning are excellent. Recoil is close to a lot of self-defense loads.

Sure, I could game it by finding the lightest load that functions in each pistol for Steel Challenge, and the lightest load that makes minor power factor in USPSA and IDPA. That's not how I roll. (I also recommend to friends and family that they shoot their carry gun in these events.)
 
I want to echo @Dudedog 's comments about seating depth. My first batch had some issues keeping the bullet seated. I lost a couple of cartridges due to the bullet actually falling out of the case! Made a mess inside of my gun with tons of unfired gunpowder. Seat a bit deeper and make sure to crimp well.
 
For shooting multiple steel targets (non competitive), I use Bullseye 3.0-3.1gr, 125 RN coated bullet, OAL of 1.150.
Pistol is CZ Shadow 2 with 11lbs recoil spring.
 
One if my range loads that will make a good steel challenge load is 4.4gr W231/HP-38 under a 124gr FMJ bullet. It's accurate and reliable for me without excessive recoil so it's very controllable.

That is close to what I used out of a CZ Shadow 2. HP-38 with 4.3 and OAL 1.14 which functions in all of my 9mms.
 
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9mm X-Treme 100 gr RNFP ... 4.2 gr W231/HP-38 ... Because you don't have a lot of bullet to deal with you want to seat them as deep as possible so you have better neck tension. This will probably mean short 1.03-1.04.

After you have some loaded I would check to make sure you have good neck tension/grip on the bullet ... load some up minus powder and primer and cycle them thru your pistol a few times then check OAL.
Very good advice. With light powder charge, you want to increase the neck tension as much as possible for more consistent powder burn and chamber pressures. As shown in the above picture, at 1.030" OAL, dummy rounds (no powder, no primer) fed and chambered from the magazine of my Glock 22 and KKM barrel without reduction in OAL which indicated good neck tension and this is my QC check for testing neck tension.

You want consistent bullet seating depth AFTER rounds are chambered for more consistent chamber pressures and greater accuracy. Consistent Finished OAL is irrelevant if insufficient neck tension results in different bullet setback amount and inconsistent Chambered OAL.
 
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"...that may be useful in self-defence..." None of the shooting games have the least thing to do with CCW or self-defence. They're games and nothing more.
Plates are almost as much fun as bowling pins. Difference is the weight of the plates are usually far less than a pin. No need for heavy bullets or silly arbitrary "power factors". A hit anywhere on the plate knocks it over. A cast bullet target load will do nicely. (Jacketed bullets are too expensive to shoot regularly.) Partial to cast 121 grain TC's(Truncated Cone) with Bullseye, myself. Cast 124 grain data is close enough. Mind you, I'm shooting an Inglis BHP that isn't up to great accuracy.
"...Gamers..." Exactly.
 
"...that may be useful in self-defence..." None of the shooting games have the least thing to do with CCW or self-defence. They're games and nothing more.

Time behind the trigger, especially working at speed, against some kind of external time pressure -- and anything that gets you out practicing good gun handling instead of sitting in front of the TV (or computer) -- is useful. Nobody'd ever claim that shooting plates or bowling pins is defensive "training," but if I had to draw my gun in a crisis, I'd rather that I'd put 10K or 50K or 500K rounds down range at challenging targets, under pressure, than not.
 
Anything that hones/improves your shooting skills can help in self defense.
NOT when You are accustomed to mouse fart loads....hence my "Gamer" comment. You will surely gain experience in gun handling, but REAL ammo will be a surprise.
 
REAL ammo will be a surprise.
Before I started shooting USPSA matches, I tested various factory ammunition (Blazer, CCI, Federal, PMC, Remington, S&B, Winchester, etc.) and used whichever was lowest priced.

Shortly after I started shooting USPSA matches, just about every match shooter suggested I start reloading to minor/major power factors as "match grade" reloads with 0.1 gr powder charge variance and 1.0 gr bullet weight variance would produce smaller shot groups than best of factory ammunition. A bullseye match shooting coworker took me under his wing and mentored me to reload and shoot.

When we tested various 9mm/45ACP match loads using Clays/WST/Titegroup/W231/Universal/WSF/HS-6 and later with 40S&W Montana Gold jacketed bullets, my average groups with match loads shrank by more than 40% over best of factory ammunition. POA vs POI were comparable. When I tested my match loads with different factory premium JHP ammunition like Hydra-Shok/Black Talon/Gold Dot/Golden Saber, POI difference was around 1" at 10-15 yards.

I am approaching around 500,000 pistol rounds shot and have done occasional factory vs reload testing over the decades with similar results.

Anything that hones/improves your shooting skills can help in self defense.
NOT when You are accustomed to mouse fart loads
Time behind the trigger, especially working at speed, against some kind of external time pressure -- is useful.
As others posted, based on my "limited" experience, it is my humble opinion that range practice with lighter recoil target loads is not wasted.

Why?

When I switched my match caliber from 9mm/45ACP to 40S&W (to better meet major power factor), I used 40-9 conversion barrels in my Glock 22/23/27 for range practice with lighter 9mm loads. Using cheaper 9mm loads not only allowed me more trigger time but the lighter recoil allowed me to focus more on my technique and gun handling to better engage my match targets with 40S&W major power factor loads.

To those who claim "gaming" or "match shooting" does not develop useful skills for defensive shooting, our club's match stage designer shot both USPSA and IDPA and often tailored the stages with moving/sliding/bouncing/spinning/bobbing targets and forced us to shoot from unconventional positions, especially from cover. While typical USPSA stages favor faster stage times for scoring, the stage designer wanted to provide us with more realistic shooting situations to better hone our shooting skills. Yes, mandatory one-handed reloads and slide racking along with one-handed weak hand shooting from cover were often thrown in with extremes such as shooting from prone, laying flat on your back, shooting sideways between narrow openings, etc.

My defensive shooting instructor taught PD/SD SWAT and made us remove front sights of our pistols so we had to "point shoot" in darkened range stages. At some point of point shooting practice, type or caliber of pistol became less relevant but the technique used allowed us to produce fast 4"-6" shot groups without use of sights at multiple targets as illustrated in this thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...r-good-handgun-shooting.829298/#post-10696936

I transitioned my sister from 9mm to 40S&W using light recoil target loads and now she shoots matches with M&P40 using major power factor loads. If you ask her, she will tell you using "mouse fart" loads helped her overcome the dreaded "flinch". When other male match shooters ask her about the snappy recoil of 40S&W after she out shoots them (she is small framed with small hands), she smiles and says, "What snappy recoil?"

As to match shooting translating to real life defensive shooting, she will tell you if she can see a threat inside her house, she won't miss even using full-power premium factory JHP loads.
 
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NOT when You are accustomed to mouse fart loads....hence my "Gamer" comment. You will surely gain experience in gun handling, but REAL ammo will be a surprise.

Meh. I suppose there are folks who shoot REALLY soft loads (like SASS uses, maybe), but the various things I shoot all require fairly standard energy loadings. And, like they say about deer hunting: when your blood's pounding in your ears and your adrenaline's spiking and hands are shaking and you NEED that gun, you're never even going to feel the recoil.

And the more you shoot the less it matters what you're shooting. Someone who's put 50K rounds of 9mm into steel plate shoots isn't going to drop the gun in shock if he has to defend himself with a .45ACP or .40 S&W.
 
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