Reloading 30 carbine

[hillbillysharpshooter]

Hello, I have an M1 carbine, an AMT automag III and last weekend I bought an M1 Carbine Pistol. I am setup for reloading but was wondering which load is the closest to WWII ammo? I prefer to use H110 or 2400 but i have a lot more H110 on hand.
Thanks

 

[tlf65]

I've always used H110, but friends have had excellent results using Little.gun. it is my understanding that H110 was the powder used in WW2.

 

[dredd]

H110 for me. Search the forum for lots more info.

As for trimming... Kinda goes with the world of reloading.

Welcome aboard.

 

[Soonerpesek]

An elder fella eatin' an apple with a pocket knife once told me THE powder for 30 Carbine is H110....................

 

[Carl N. Brown]

H110 or W296 are the traditional .30 Carbine powder.

 

[Mr_Flintstone]

The original 30 carbine powders were WC820 and HPC5. HPC5 was a Hercules flake powder, but that’s about all I can find out about it. WC820 is/was a non canister powder that spawned two commercial canister powders: H110 and AA No. 9. Either one of those with a 110 gr FMJ would be an appropriate analog to a WW2 load.

 

[Laphroaig]

There is some good loading advice on the first 2 pages of this paper:

https://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/CMP_Carbine_Notes_2007.pdf

 

[35 Whelen]

15.0 gr. of H110/W296 and a 110 gr. bullet will duplicate the original military load. Now, if you want to exceed it, grab a jug of Accurate 4100/Ramshot Enforcer.

35W

 

[lightman]

I use a near max load of either H110 or Winchester 296 in mine.

 

[hillbillysharpshooter]

Thanks All, I do see the 15 gr load for H110 in my manuals. I will load to that spec.

 

[N555]

H110 for me

 

[GRIZ22]

15.0 gr. of H110/W296 and a 110 gr. bullet will duplicate the original military load. Now, if you want to exceed it, grab a jug of Accurate 4100/Ramshot Enforcer.

35W

Hotrodding the 30 carbine is a mistake imo. It was designed for a specific pressure range. I've used 14.7 gr of W296 for years. Gives me 2020 fps with a 110 bullet.

 

[35 Whelen]

Hotrodding the 30 carbine is a mistake imo. It was designed for a specific pressure range. I've used 14.7 gr of W296 for years. Gives me 2020 fps with a 110 bullet.

I agree, but one can exceed the original ballistics without exceeding the recommended maximum pressure, as you pointed out. In my case, a less than max load of 14.8 gr. of AA4100 and a 110 gr. Hornady FMJ exceeded the original by 100 fps.

35W

 

[GRIZ22]

I agree, but one can exceed the original ballistics without exceeding the recommended maximum pressure, as you pointed out. In my case, a less than max load of 14.8 gr. of AA4100 and a 110 gr. Hornady FMJ exceeded the original by 100 fps.

35W

I wouldn't consider roughly a 5% gain in velocity hotrodding.

 

[35 Whelen]

I wouldn't consider roughly a 5% gain in velocity hotrodding.

Nor would I, I don't think.

But I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. And, I'm really not sure what "hotrodding" is where reloading is concerned. I do however know what hotrodding is where automobiles are concerned.

35W

 

[GRIZ22]

Nor would I, I don't think.

But I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. And, I'm really not sure what "hotrodding" is where reloading is concerned. I do however know what hotrodding is where automobiles are concerned.

35W

People who try to.make a cartridge into something it was never designed.for. Like 2500.fps with a 110 bullet in 30 carbine.

 

[35 Whelen]

People who try to.make a cartridge into something it was never designed.for. Like 2500.fps with a 110 bullet in 30 carbine.

Yeah, I can't imagine how one could get 2500 fps with a 110 gr. bullet in a .30 Carbine without destroying the carbine.

35W

 

[74man]

Just loaded for my Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine. Did 150 casings with14.2 grains of W-296--150 casings in 14.8 grains with W-292. And 200 casings with 15 grains of H-110. I used 110 Grain Extreme bullets. I also found out that short cases are OK to reload just not too short. What make is your 30 Carbine Pistol?

 

[cfullgraf]

W296 or H110 are the powders I use for my M1 Carbine ammunition.

Just note, these powders do not play well if you want reduced loads.

 

[Tall]

Reload Data 30 Carbine

IMHO IMR 4227 is the ideal powder for this round. If you want reduced velocity, a loud report and a fireball W296 / H110 is the answer.

 

[35 Whelen]

Reload Data 30 Carbine

IMHO IMR 4227 is the ideal powder for this round. If you want reduced velocity, a loud report and a fireball W296 / H110 is the answer.

15.0 gr of H110/W296 and a 110 gr. bullet duplicates the original ballistics perfectly and is the load by which all others are measured. This is the load I've used more than any other as well.

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The NRA did recommend the 15.0 grains WW296 110 grain FMJRN load as the military equivalent duplication loading. Every source ever seen has the load at 36,000 for its pressure against a 40,000 normal operating limit. Speer is the only manual to recommend magnum primers. In a recent NRA test article, this was noted and no reason was known for the recommendation beyond super cold weather. Interestingly, the magnum primer load was slower than the normal primer load when WW296 was used.

The 15.0 grain WW296 110 FMJRN loading at 36,000psi is 10% under the WW2 standard 40,000psi using a specially designed powder that is better than anything available in 1941-2. With the 18" barreled carbine, the NRA Carbine Booklet gives the following loading:

110 Speer FLN HP
15.0 grains WW296
1980fps
36,000 psi
Win case
Win WSR primer
barrel 18"
Source Winchester

35W

 

[DukeConnor]

Reload Data 30 Carbine

IMHO IMR 4227 is the ideal powder for this round. If you want reduced velocity, a loud report and a fireball W296 / H110 is the answer.

I use 4227. I had it on hand when I started loading 30 carbine and never tried anything else.

 

[Remington1911]

Another vote for H110, the 30 carbine is the only thing I own that uses that powder that I own.

Odd that people say if you want a fireball and loud to use 110. Wife and kid shot them in CMP matches and they never sounded any different from any of the others.

 

[cfullgraf]

Another vote for H110, the 30 carbine is the only thing I own that uses that powder that I own.

Odd that people say if you want a fireball and loud to use 110. Wife and kid shot them in CMP matches and they never sounded any different from any of the others.

In a M1 Carbine, W296/H110 don’t make too much a fireball. The carbine length barrel helps burning more powder before the bullet exits the barrel.

But, a 4” or shorter 357 Mag revolver, the fireball can be impressive.

I like W296/H110. I shot IHMSA handgun silhouette with a 6” S&W revolver and a 10” Contender, both chambered in 357 Mag and loaded with W296.

I’ve used W296 in my .410 skeet loads, 300 BO and 460 S&W Mag. If and when I load full power 44 Mag and 41 Mag ammunition, W296 or H110 will be my choice.

P.S. I have both 44 Magnum and 41 Magnum revolvers but my days of shooting full power magnum loads are past. I enjoy shooting the guns punching hole in paper or other targets of opportunity with lighter ammunition. But W296/H110 will be my choice of powder if I need magnum loads.

 

[41 Mag]

Through the years I have loaded 2400, 296/H110, and AA-9 with bullets ranging from the 100 - 110gr up to some 115 - 125/130gr cast. Most of these were the jacketed round nose soft points meant for the rifle and Ruger revolver, but in the past decade or so I have been using more of the cast in my Ruger than anything. My staple load is between 12 -14.5gr of one of those powders mentioned above. I do adjust down with the cast depending on the particular bullets being used, but all in all it is still close.

The one thing I have never figured out is all the talk about the ear piercing muzzle blast from the revolver. I mean it isn't anything compared to some of the .357 loads I have shot nor even i the ball park with the upper end 41 thru 454 magnums. For me, it is or seems to be in the neighborhood of the spicy 9mm - 10mm if i was going to throw it in somewhere.