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"I would find his comments a lot more credible if he didn't have a Glock bench mat as a background. It kind of compromises any claims of objectivity."
Tactical Existence: "So, here is the now-infamous Remington R51..." moving along...
I thought it was a decent review until I saw the others. He did the whole "sharp recoil" schtick while it was obvious he was getting both very rapid shots and startlingly little wrist deflection in the videos (the guy obviously knows his craft, but the recoil looked very low for anyone shooting a 9mm). He certainly never complained again for 300 rounds.
The best was this part at 6:40 of 'the gun you thought you wanted' in which he states "just being able to shoot 102 rounds consecutively [so far] doesn't solve those issues for me" which sounds awfully biased. He never does explain what he did to get the gun which bound up completely after 2 mags in the first video turned into the piece that ran +140 before the next issue :scrutinty: (shooting assorted ammo specifically to see if it would jam the gun, mind you ). Throughout all his videos it seems pretty obvious something was wrong early on, yet he keeps whipping the wounded pony to see if he can kill it & prove its inferiority
Anybody wonder if his disconnector was binding up as it went up/down, causing the slide to shave metal off its tip with every shot? I am. That would explain the damage to the frame/slide right around there, the metal shavings, the binding both forward and backward, the trigger being intermittently disconnected after cycling, everything. I think he's lucky it didn't run off on him. +P ammo seemed to drastically speed up the issues, as well; I don't suppose this would be the first time a company advertised a gun as stouter than it really was, eh S&W . No excuse, but a possibility.
Regarding the trigger; if any of the triggers on my guns could pivot 10degrees side to side I would be taking them apart to see if it was broken across the pivot or shipping it to the maker to check for the same. Why would it intentionally be designed with a .05" oversize hole? So why assume that's how it should be?
That super-crappy slide machining is almost certainly due to the mill operator loading the wrong tool into the CNC tool carriage pocket (happens all the time with poor shop tool control & programming) causing the roughing operation with big step-downs to gouge past the proper finished surface. The subsequent ball/rounded endmill operations that smooth out the rest of the slide are left cutting dead air afterward. We are well past the time of "sloppy machining" you can blame on clumsy manual-mill machinists' skill; this is the fault of careless tool-loaders not keeping track of their inventory. I would surmise a 3/8" endmill was loaded instead of a 1/4" (gouges are ~.03", and if that ballmill operation was supposed to go about .03" deeper to finish the pocket, the two added together are about a 1/16" radius error that would only be seen on the sides ). Obviously a QC inspector should have noticed and rejected this part immediately. Obviously the QC inspector at Para was an inflatable carpool dummy
At this point, I'm certain he got exactly what he discounted as merely fanboy claims; a lemon. And while Remington seems to be putting out a lot of R51 lemons, the review is presented as a review of the platform, complete with un/recommendation for other buyers, so it kind of makes sense to make a point of getting a working copy. Instead of saying the operation is unreliable (which is indeterminate at present) he should say production is extremely uneven with many bad examples. A minor point, but worth noting, since it seems that those with properly made copies tend to absolutely love them
"Hard metal moving against soft metal could prove to be a problem that is solvable."
I'm not entirely sure the aluminum is the problem. The wear is occurring where the slide passes close (the camming lugs on the slide) and where the slide scrapes over the disconnector. If the slide is colliding with the frame due to improper clearances or scrapping off shavings from the disconnector, no metal would hold up well. I've heard zero reports of peeening or galling of the locking recess, which is precisely where I expect to see issues due to softness. My totally theoretical guess at this point is the disconnectors suck (probably a cheap little stamped piece that has burs all over it)
TCB
Tactical Existence: "So, here is the now-infamous Remington R51..." moving along...
I thought it was a decent review until I saw the others. He did the whole "sharp recoil" schtick while it was obvious he was getting both very rapid shots and startlingly little wrist deflection in the videos (the guy obviously knows his craft, but the recoil looked very low for anyone shooting a 9mm). He certainly never complained again for 300 rounds.
The best was this part at 6:40 of 'the gun you thought you wanted' in which he states "just being able to shoot 102 rounds consecutively [so far] doesn't solve those issues for me" which sounds awfully biased. He never does explain what he did to get the gun which bound up completely after 2 mags in the first video turned into the piece that ran +140 before the next issue :scrutinty: (shooting assorted ammo specifically to see if it would jam the gun, mind you ). Throughout all his videos it seems pretty obvious something was wrong early on, yet he keeps whipping the wounded pony to see if he can kill it & prove its inferiority
Anybody wonder if his disconnector was binding up as it went up/down, causing the slide to shave metal off its tip with every shot? I am. That would explain the damage to the frame/slide right around there, the metal shavings, the binding both forward and backward, the trigger being intermittently disconnected after cycling, everything. I think he's lucky it didn't run off on him. +P ammo seemed to drastically speed up the issues, as well; I don't suppose this would be the first time a company advertised a gun as stouter than it really was, eh S&W . No excuse, but a possibility.
Regarding the trigger; if any of the triggers on my guns could pivot 10degrees side to side I would be taking them apart to see if it was broken across the pivot or shipping it to the maker to check for the same. Why would it intentionally be designed with a .05" oversize hole? So why assume that's how it should be?
That super-crappy slide machining is almost certainly due to the mill operator loading the wrong tool into the CNC tool carriage pocket (happens all the time with poor shop tool control & programming) causing the roughing operation with big step-downs to gouge past the proper finished surface. The subsequent ball/rounded endmill operations that smooth out the rest of the slide are left cutting dead air afterward. We are well past the time of "sloppy machining" you can blame on clumsy manual-mill machinists' skill; this is the fault of careless tool-loaders not keeping track of their inventory. I would surmise a 3/8" endmill was loaded instead of a 1/4" (gouges are ~.03", and if that ballmill operation was supposed to go about .03" deeper to finish the pocket, the two added together are about a 1/16" radius error that would only be seen on the sides ). Obviously a QC inspector should have noticed and rejected this part immediately. Obviously the QC inspector at Para was an inflatable carpool dummy
At this point, I'm certain he got exactly what he discounted as merely fanboy claims; a lemon. And while Remington seems to be putting out a lot of R51 lemons, the review is presented as a review of the platform, complete with un/recommendation for other buyers, so it kind of makes sense to make a point of getting a working copy. Instead of saying the operation is unreliable (which is indeterminate at present) he should say production is extremely uneven with many bad examples. A minor point, but worth noting, since it seems that those with properly made copies tend to absolutely love them
"Hard metal moving against soft metal could prove to be a problem that is solvable."
I'm not entirely sure the aluminum is the problem. The wear is occurring where the slide passes close (the camming lugs on the slide) and where the slide scrapes over the disconnector. If the slide is colliding with the frame due to improper clearances or scrapping off shavings from the disconnector, no metal would hold up well. I've heard zero reports of peeening or galling of the locking recess, which is precisely where I expect to see issues due to softness. My totally theoretical guess at this point is the disconnectors suck (probably a cheap little stamped piece that has burs all over it)
TCB