Republican Governor of Florida Rick Scott signs landmark anti-gun bill!

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Besides allowing some teachers to carry, hardening schools, and adding bullet resistant glass it also makes all gun purchasers be 21 years of age and 3 day waiting period on all gun purchases. I don't agree with the last 2 that's for sure.

I thought this school shooting maybe different than others and bring about new anti-gun laws. It has to do with the way the students mobilized and the public videos from students inside the school at the time of the shooting. Hearing or reading about a school shooting is one thing, watching video of frightened, shot, and dying students is another.
 
And any anti-gunner with your name & address can SWAT you with a restraining order for buying guns or advocating for them

Complete and utter defeat. The 'armed teachers' bit doesn't even qualify as a fig leaf
 
Aim1 said:
It has to do with the way the students mobilized and the public videos from students inside the school at the time of the shooting. Hearing or reading about a school shooting is one thing, watching video of frightened, shot, and dying students is another.
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The students didn't mobilize squat. Most of these kids are capable of little more than updating their Facebook pages and sending out pictures on Instagram. Many of them don't even have the social skills to look someone in the eye and shake their hand. Gun control groups were the driving force behind these "walkouts" and many of these kids were all too willing to skip a day of class to go "protest".

However, I agree that the major difference between this mass shooting and those before it were the videos that were taken during the shooting. What I find most interesting is that many of those videos were never shown by any of the major news organizations and were mainly viewable on alternative media sites- which seems to indicate that people are, at least in part, increasingly getting information and news from unconventional sources. I watched the videos. I felt terrible for those kids and their families. Like you, I think the laws they passed in Florida will do little in the way of preventing future mass shootings. What concerns me is the consequence of a series of ineffective laws being passed. I'm worried that at some point people will simply come to the conclusion that to prevent future mass shootings certain classes of guns will have to be banned (of course, many already think this). But until the underlying issues are addressed such shootings will continue. They need to be able to add people like this Parkland shooter on the NICS more easily.
 
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The students didn't mobilize squat. Most of these kids are capable of little more than updating their Facebook pages and sending out pictures on Instagram. Many of them don't even have the social skills to look someone in the eye and shake their hand. Gun control groups were the driving force behind these "walkouts" and many of these kids were all too willing to skip a day of class to go "protest".

However, I agree that the major difference between this mass shooting and those before it were the videos that were taken during the shooting. What I find most interesting is that many of those videos were never shown by any of the major news organizations and were mainly viewable on alternative media sites- which seems to indicate that people are, at least in part, increasingly getting information and news from unconventional sources. I watched the videos. I felt terrible for those kids and their families. Like you, I think the laws they passed in Florida will do little in the way of preventing future mass shootings. What concerns me is the consequence of a series of ineffective laws being passed. I'm worried that at some point people will simply come to the conclusion that to prevent future mass shootings certain classes of guns will have to be banned (of course, many already think this). But until the underlying issues are addressed such shootings will continue. They need to be able to add people like this Parkland shooter on the NICS more easily.
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The power of social media is almost all-powerful. People who are merely accused of crimes are getting fired or forced to step down. Social media pressure has caused businesses to collapse and go bankrupt.

Some of these kids met the president of the United States for a "gun violence" conference and put pressure on politicians and thus this anti-gun bill being signed into law.
 
This is awful.
I don't have a dog in the fight with age limits. I do think that we should pick an age where someone is considered an adult. Not have this mess of whatever fits the politicians and the masses.

I've also thought waiting periods were stupid. If I already have a gun why make me wait to buy another one. I can understand waiting for the first one, for an extensive background check, but once that's passed it should be a quick check to see nothing has changed. Also once someone has a concealed carry permit the same should be true.

So while the logic above is what I understand, I don't have to like it.
 
coloradokevin said:
The state level is where gun control is now being fought, and they anti-gun crowd is making big gains at that level.
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Not in Idaho, we're pushing through 'Castle Doctrine' something that has been in the works for quite some time. We already have 'Stand Your Ground' laws.

The problem will always be in states with large metropolitan populations, it breeds liberalism and government dependency.

Keep up the fight in your respective state, and get state constitutional protection of gun rights passed at the state level to protect the 2nd Amendment while one can. Now is the time for any pro-gun state to get these laws established on the books before a metro area screws up the voting of the whole state.
 
I don't like anything in FLs law. Maybe it would be better to allow someone in the military to purchase a gun if over 18. I can remember being in 'Nam and I could not vote, drink (alcoholic beverages although I did); can't remember if I could purchase a gun or not, since I didn't try and being in 'Nam, they were supplied. (My opinion!)

This is what is going through the Idaho congress at this time. More of a combo for stand your ground and to strengthen castle doctrine

Senate Bill 1313, sponsored by Senator Todd Lakey (R-12), would consolidate and codify existing law to clearly protect the inherent right of a person to defend themselves. This legislation clarifies that in the exercise of self-defense, a law-abiding citizen may stand their ground and protect themselves or their family anywhere they have a legal right to be. SB 1313 also protects the right of a person to defend himself against intruders who enter the defender’s home or business unlawfully or by force, without the defender having to demonstrate that he reasonably feared that the intruder was about to cause death or great bodily harm. The unlawful or forceful entry is enough to establish a legal presumption that the defender’s fear of serious injury was reasonable—and, therefore, that the defense against the criminal was reasonable as well.
 
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This is awful.
I don't have a dog in the fight with age limits. I do think that we should pick an age where someone is considered an adult. Not have this mess of whatever fits the politicians and the masses.

I've also thought waiting periods were stupid. If I already have a gun why make me wait to buy another one. I can understand waiting for the first one, for an extensive background check, but once that's passed it should be a quick check to see nothing has changed. Also once someone has a concealed carry permit the same should be true.

So while the logic above is what I understand, I don't have to like it.
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Agree. We should have one age for adulthood and I think it should be 18. You can join the military, kill and die for your country, then you should also be able to vote, smoke, and purchase a firearm.
 
Looking for a detailed report on the Florida law. Sometimes the devil is in the details. One newspaper indicates the three day waiting period for long guns in the new law is waived for those with a ccw or hunting license. Wonder what else is in there that has not yet been reported in the press.
 
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Not in Idaho, we're pushing through 'Castle Doctrine' something that has been in the works for quite some time. We already have 'Stand Your Ground' laws.

The problem will always be in states with large metropolitan populations, it breeds liberalism and government dependency.

Keep up the fight in your respective state, and get state constitutional protection of gun rights passed at the state level to protect the 2nd Amendment while one can. Now is the time for any pro-gun state to get these laws established on the books before a metro area screws up the voting of the whole state.
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With the exception of a handful of states (like yours) I don't see this being very possible right now for most of us.

You're certainly right about the problem, but it's so widespread at the moment that places like Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana seem like the last standing bedrocks of freedom. Colorado is a big "red state" with one significant dot of blue in the middle. Unfortunately that blue dot has a lot of residents, and already led to a couple of stupid gun laws. I fear that some truly draconian laws will be on the books here in a few more years.

Even Texans better be careful. Their big cities are starting to turn liberal just like ours did, and that shift may change their way of life in fairly short order.

I'd love to go live in Wyoming, Idaho, or Montana, but I just can't find a job there. As of now, it's a retirement option for me!
 
I hear this “if they can die for their country” stuff all the time. For the less than 1% of society who join the military, sure...make an exception.

Having 18-20 year olds in the military, no matter the age of majority, is a matter of national security - they do more on command without question than older, wiser soldiers. We might literally need their sacrifice in the future.

I’m all for the age of majority being 21, with parental consent and actual responsibility for decisions like drinking, guns, etc. Look at all the stupid decisions 18-25 year olds make - drinking, drugs, marriages, financial decisions, student loans...and on and on.

I just talked myself into a 25 year old age of majority!
 
coloradokevin said:
And the anti-gunners have once again chipped away at rights that millions of law abiding folks have always enjoyed in Florida.

The state level is where gun control is now being fought, and they anti-gun crowd is making big gains at that level.
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Actually we dodged most of the shrapnel......for now.

Though I may not like it, the bill that was passed was the best outcome possible under the circumstances for us Floridians. By sacrificing the age limits and waiting periods, we managed to fend off an AWB, magazine limits, and the end of person to person transfers, all of which the urban leftists from Miami, Tampa, and Orlando were crying for.

This was a victory, of sorts, because it takes a lot of steam out of Dem Gov. Candidate Phillip Levine's campaign- which was SOLELY based on gun control. This guy MUST be defeated in the upcoming elections or we can kiss all our 2A rights goodbye in the Sunshine state. Levine will now have to add some other planks to his stump.......

Being at ground zero here for the Parkland fallout, Gov. Scott and our courageous Republican legislators bent, but did not break, to the massive hysterical media and ignorant social pressure heaped upon them. God Bless them, and please call and email them to let them know they did the best they could and we gun owners will support them!
 
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This is why we need electoral colleges in each state for statewide and federal offices. The liberal cities shouldn’t rule.
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Georgia had that once--see county unit system but the Supreme Court Case of Gray v. Saunders ended it in the early 1960's Another Georgia Supreme Court case ended geographic representation via Senate districts. Baker v. Carr std was applied to all state legislative races.
 
I read there are exceptions to the three day waiting period, although I have no idea what they are.

I also read, and I think it's the worst part of this bill, that anyone who's "deemed" mentally deficient can be prohibited even from owning or possessing guns, forget purchasing. To me that is the scariest part of this bill.

Hopefully this doesn't start some kind of precedent in other states. Lord knows my state sure doesn't need any incentive.
 
Good Ol' Boy said:
I read there are exceptions to the three day waiting period, although I have no idea what they are.

I also read, and I think it's the worst part of this bill, that anyone who's "deemed" mentally deficient can be prohibited even from owning or possessing guns, forget purchasing. To me that is the scariest part of this bill.

Hopefully this doesn't start some kind of precedent in other states. Lord knows my state sure doesn't need any incentive.
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There would be some exceptions, including for police officers, members of the military, licensed hunters and licensed concealed carriers.
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