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hopefully grand jury will end it but in richmond its iffy

Ice-cream manager facing case
Prosecutors want firearms charge in fatal shooting of robber in South Side

Friday, Sep 28, 2007 - 12:09 AM
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By JIM NOLAN
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Richmond prosecutors will seek a felony indictment on a charge of reckless discharge of a firearm against the Baskin-Robbins ice-cream parlor manager who fatally shot a man who robbed the store this month.

"We have considered everything the police officers have brought in, the witnesses interviewed, the review of the scene and the forensic evidence collected, and I believe there is probable cause that a crime has been committed," said Richmond Commonwealth's Attorney Michael N. Herring, explaining his decision to present evidence to a grand jury.

Herring is expected to formally announce his decision at a news conference this morning.

According to police, on Sept. 6 Jerome Davis, 43, entered the Baskin-Robbins at 6940 Forest Hill Ave. waving a BB gun version of a 9mm handgun and demanded money from the register. The shift manager, David Fielding, handed over cash and change.

According to investigators, Davis ordered Fielding, another Baskin-Robbins employee and the lone customer to go to the back of the store.

Once in the back of the store, investigators said, Fielding produced his own 9mm gun from his waistband. The 21-year-old art student at Virginia Commonwealth University moved back toward the front counter of the store and opened fire, causing Davis to flee.

Investigators said it appears three of the shots fired that night by Fielding were fired from inside the store. Outside the store, investigators found evidence of eight additional shots fired.

Davis, a career criminal with a record of robberies and prison time, was hit twice -- once in the hand and once in the back. He died a short distance away in front of his home in the 2900 block of Cherokee Road, a couple of blocks behind the ice-cream parlor.

Herring said he has decided to seek an indictment against Fielding for reckless discharge, not manslaughter, because it cannot be determined whether the shot that killed Davis was fired from inside or outside the store.

"One volley of shots appears to have been arguably reasonable," Herring said. "And from what I've seen, the other volley of shots does not."

"The robber's trial should not have taken place in the parking lot of the Baskin-Robbins," he said.

Reckless discharge is a Class 6 felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Manslaughter carries a maximum sentence of up to 10 years in prison.

Herring said he wanted the grand jury to decide whether the second round of shots was reckless.

"If they believe they were, then they have the option to indict," Herring said. "If they don't, then I have to respect that decision."

Reached last night, attorney Craig S. Cooley, who along with lawyer Frank N. Cowan is representing Fielding, said it was inappropriate for him to comment on the case at this time.

The shooting has raised controversy over whether the actions of the store manager were justified given the circumstances of the robbery. Virginia law allows a person to use deadly force in self-defense only if his or her safety is threatened.

After the shooting, a petition was circulated to Stratford Hills-area businesses expressing support for Fielding. More than 550 people signed the petition.

Organizers and local business leaders also have urged further steps be taken to curb the rash of armed commercial robberies in the ice-cream store's area, which increased from six in the first eight months of 2006 to 32 through Sept. 2 of this year.

The Baskin-Robbins had been robbed Aug. 14, several weeks before the fatal shooting, when Fielding was present. No shots were fired at that time, and no one was injured. An early report said Fielding purchased his handgun after that incident, but police said records indicate he bought it in the spring.

"As much as I respect and appreciate the public's opinion, I can't allow any aspect of a charging decision to be affected by it," Herring said.

"If there's anything I want people to take away from this, it's that I don't think more guns is in any way a good thing," the prosecutor added.

"It's only a matter of time before some victim hits an innocent bystander. Then what?"


Contact Jim Nolan at (804) 649-6061 or [email protected].
 
Not trying to be argumentative, but from the article, I agree with the prosecutor.

"One volley of shots appears to have been arguably reasonable," Herring said. "And from what I've seen, the other volley of shots does not."

What's wrong with that?


On the other hand, he's completely wrong here:

"If there's anything I want people to take away from this, it's that I don't think more guns is in any way a good thing," the prosecutor added.

Ed
 
Richmond or ANYWHERE, it is illegal to shoot someone who is not immediately threatening you such as a fleeing person.
 
His mistake was chasing the suspect once he left the store, no longer posing an imminent threat. That's aggressive stupidity, not self defense...
 
this seems like a case for the grand jury or a jury to decide. thats what they are for.
 
While I applaud the guy for standing up to the armed robber, he shot him in the back.

I definitely don't think he deserves manslaughter, but chasing someone onto the street who's running away and shooting at him isn't something to be taken lightly.
 
Dunno...

...in Texas I think it is based on "reasonable risk". That is, even if someone is fleeing an attempted felony and it is reasonable successful flight could put other in danger , then you can still shoot. Back, front , sideways....if the individual is armed, then he's fair game.

'Course we think a bit diffeently down here. :evil:
 
Three shots inside the store, the guy runs away (and maybe dies) and it would have been an obvious case of self-defense. Following him out to the street and firing eight more, in addition to the fact that the robber knew he was outgunned so must have been booking it, and it raises a lot of questions about the shooter's decision.
 
Unless the fleeing felon is blazing away over his shoulder, yeah, you really shouldn't shoot anymore.

But I certainly can see why the shop owner chased & shot at the Bad Guy...BG had already proven his total lack of regard for anything.
 
Of far more interest to me is the newspaper's report of the prosecutor's motivation:

"If there's anything I want people to take away from this, it's that I don't think more guns is in any way a good thing," the prosecutor added.

"It's only a matter of time before some victim hits an innocent bystander. Then what?"

This is good thinking and is an excellent reason for allowing the police to carry only non lethal weapons on their persons: it is only a matter of time before some police officer hits an innocent bystander. Then what? If an officer encounters a situation that calls for escalated force, the officer should radio the dispatcher to have a gun delivered to him. In the absence of a radio the officer could use a cell phone to telephone 911 or flag down a passing motorist to make the call.
 
darn i hope that there are more sources than the one i posted cause otherwise seems a lotta assumption going on. and thats what i'm afraid a richmond jury will do as well. if the bad guy had the gun in his hand and was pointing it he remained fair game in va. but i/we don't know that yet... or do we?
 
in the 1980's there was a similiar case in montgomery county maryland with a jewlery store owner who ran downthe street shooting at robbers.

even in mega-liberal land the store owner was found not guilty

I think prosecuting this case is an uphill battle to say the least
 
in the casein montgomery county he walked up after they wrecked car already wounded and shot em if i recall right been a few years but i lived near there back then
 
While I applaud the guy for standing up to the armed robber, he shot him in the back.

Sounds like many here are assuming that the bullet to the back proves that the BG was retreating. It does not.

The BG may have simply turned and presented his back for a moment during the hold-up. It may have been the only oppurtunity during the hold-up that the Young Man may have had time to pull and shoot st the BG.

Don't assume anything here, folks. It is for the jury to decide.
 
Richmond has had a couple of other cases in recent years where a shop owner or employee chased an armed robber out the door and shot and killed him as he was running down the street. In those cases, the shooter was not charged. So there's no reason this guy should be charged. Herring is a liberal, anti-gun idiot. I hope the grand jury slaps him in the face by refusing to issue an indictment.

As for the idea that Richmond is changing for the worse, Richmond has been a cesspool for decades. Nothing new there. Live in the burbs or don't live here at all.
 
Not knowing all of the facts, a few thoughts:

1. There are many situations in which shooting an armed robber in the back is perfectly reasonable. There are many situations in which it is not. While it is not entirely clear which this was, the most salient question is "why was the clerk pursuing him?" It's hard to argue that you were in fear of your life if you're running after the guy. This, of course, assumes that the BG was fleeing and the clerk was pursuing.

2. I won't be particularly upset if the clerk walks.

3. The DA sounds like a tool.

Mike
 
The DA is a tool.

IIRC, one of the owner/clerks who chased a guy out of his store and shot him didn't end with the clerk charged but the perp lived and the owner/clerk had to shell out a lot of $$ for the lawyers.
 
Naw, he's a Democrat. :) Ran unopposed, too. I'm surprised he's had time to work on the case. There have been a lot of innocent bystanders killed here, one this week.

9/24 (WRIC) "Richmond Police are looking for a suspect in an overnight shooting that left one person in critical condition and an innocent bystander dead. According to officials, shots were fired at a car on Tifton Court near Hull Street, injuring a woman nearby[she later died]. A short time later, a man was found shot in the targeted car at a McDonald's restaurant in the 4100 block of Hull Street."

John
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The mayor is former Gov. Wilder, also a Democrat, and he just tried evicting the school board/administration from city hall Friday night. Well, actually they did move a bunch of stuff out and made a real mess. The board got a judge to stop the move around midnight. Best soap opera in years in a town known for them. Just google 'wilder school board'.
 
I wouldn't want a prosecutor anywhere near me who said this:

"The robber's trial should not have taken place in the parking lot of the Baskin-Robbins," he said.

While true, it just sounds like he is protecting the criminal. The prosecutor should never be able to be interpreted as protecting the criminal. He giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
 
While true, it just sounds like he is protecting the criminal. The prosecutor should never be able to be interpreted as protecting the criminal. He giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

See this part:

Davis, a career criminal with a record of robberies and prison time,

A lot of people believe the clerk finally dispensed justice after none was to be found from the commonwealth.
 
Well, maybe the prosecutor can go ruin the life of someone else who defends himself against a criminal. I always like to look on the bright side of things.

Have the police been disarmed yet so that they don't hit innocent bystanders, or are they all expert shooters who never miss? As an alternative, why not ban innocent bystanders from Richmond? Seriously. They just clutter up the place and get themselves killed. They're only necessary on election day so they can vote for the prosecutor. He can bus them in for voting, then bus them out until they're needed again.
 
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