Gordon
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Went for $615 and was like new. They are highly desirable for good reason. I will never own one .
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Rogers and Spencer, finally
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whughett
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Amen brother. Decorum and forum rules prevent me ............. twice a year I drive around it.
DocRock
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Ok, here we go:
Gordon
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Wow a conversion cylinder ! Holy smoke ! 
DocRock
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Wow a conversion cylinder ! Holy smoke !
Without question, my most accurate pistol.
The Brownells 0.138 diameter 0.028 thickness only fits partially into the slot. It's still too thick. Thankfully the Chapman 0.025 bits work good enough. Chapman ships the stuff they have listed as in stock fast so a long wait was avoided to find this out.
No word yet on the out of stock back order $50.00 thin bit set hidden in the darkest corner of Brownells website.
No word yet on the out of stock back order $50.00 thin bit set hidden in the darkest corner of Brownells website.
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My wish as well.
Gaucho Gringo
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Yipes, trying to figure what mine is worth with a conversion cylinder.I love the bank vault tight lockup of mine with either cylinder. Didn't mean to hijack the thread.but I have not looked at prices in awhile. The frame on mine has turned plum color although it is in almost new condition.
Russell13
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Great another gun I want. I gotta stop hanging out with you guys.
Gaucho Gringo
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One of the hazards of this forum, it is incurable.
Malachi Leviticus Blue
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More contagious than COVID but life expectancy is longer.
Well Brownells MAGNA-TIP Thin Bit Set has finally arrived about last week and they are now in stock. I would recommend this set for the Rogers and Spencer as well as anything that uses similar size screw slots. I find these sizes to be uncommon and with limited options of sizes in other brands. The Brownells kit seems to the most comprehensive I have seen yet.
Have your magnifying glass ready before breaking open the little plastic bag to organize the bits in the included wooden bit holder (a very nice practical touch) inside the plastic case. The writing on the included bit size index and bits is small.
It's an 18 bit set with blade widths of 0.120 (3mm,) 0.150 (3.8mm,) 0.180 (4.6mm,) 0.210 (5.3mm,) 0.240 (6.1mm,) 0.270 (6.8mm,) 0.300 (7.6mm,) 0.340 (8.6mm,)and 0.360 (9.1mm.)
Each width comes in two thicknesses ( 0.020 [0.51mm] and 0.025 [0.63mm].)
The 0.025 (0.63mm) thickness seems to be a perfect fit for the Rogers and Spencer and the thinner 0.020 (0.51mm) is PROBABLY not too thin either.
That should save you from Brownells tech support tour if you ever ponder what sizes this kit includes.
The bits for the Rogers and Spencer are 150-2 (the 2 small 3.8mm grip frame screws,)
180-2 (4.6mm trigger screw,) 210-2 (5.3mm front trigger guard screw,) and 240-2 (6.1mm hammer and grip panel screws.) The thickness of all as mentioned before is 0.025 [0.63mm.)
I will save you from the magical mystery Brownells tour by giving a direct link for the SET.
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...it-sets/magna-tip-thin-bit-set-prod44342.aspx
To find only the 4 needed bits individually I am afraid you will have to take the Brownells safari tour.Please let me know if you find the golden treasure (individual thin bits) if you do
Polishing (not a perfect polish but still shiny and nice) the main spring, rounding off the edges, and shortening it slightly makes the action a little smoother yet but that final pull back is still on the stiff side. Can anyone tell me if that is their experience ?
Have your magnifying glass ready before breaking open the little plastic bag to organize the bits in the included wooden bit holder (a very nice practical touch) inside the plastic case. The writing on the included bit size index and bits is small.
It's an 18 bit set with blade widths of 0.120 (3mm,) 0.150 (3.8mm,) 0.180 (4.6mm,) 0.210 (5.3mm,) 0.240 (6.1mm,) 0.270 (6.8mm,) 0.300 (7.6mm,) 0.340 (8.6mm,)and 0.360 (9.1mm.)
Each width comes in two thicknesses ( 0.020 [0.51mm] and 0.025 [0.63mm].)
The 0.025 (0.63mm) thickness seems to be a perfect fit for the Rogers and Spencer and the thinner 0.020 (0.51mm) is PROBABLY not too thin either.
That should save you from Brownells tech support tour if you ever ponder what sizes this kit includes.
The bits for the Rogers and Spencer are 150-2 (the 2 small 3.8mm grip frame screws,)
180-2 (4.6mm trigger screw,) 210-2 (5.3mm front trigger guard screw,) and 240-2 (6.1mm hammer and grip panel screws.) The thickness of all as mentioned before is 0.025 [0.63mm.)
I will save you from the magical mystery Brownells tour by giving a direct link for the SET.
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...it-sets/magna-tip-thin-bit-set-prod44342.aspx
To find only the 4 needed bits individually I am afraid you will have to take the Brownells safari tour.Please let me know if you find the golden treasure (individual thin bits) if you do
Polishing (not a perfect polish but still shiny and nice) the main spring, rounding off the edges, and shortening it slightly makes the action a little smoother yet but that final pull back is still on the stiff side. Can anyone tell me if that is their experience ?
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I found them now all I need is a Rogers and Spencer. 
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...gna-tip-bits/magna-tip-thin-bits-prod425.aspx
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-...gna-tip-bits/magna-tip-thin-bits-prod425.aspxWow great. For a while I thought it was the same page I listed (I momentarily lost faith in Brownells wonderous magic maze now I know just follow the clues on the gold brick road) since there is a picture of the thin bit set in the case on the same page but I soon noticed there was no option to buy it nor any hint that they actually sell the set.
That is good. A set of the needed bits only should be affordable to most people and these bits fit standard size holders (both cheap and pricy ones.) I do like the Magna-Tip handles though.
Without the proper size buggering your R&S screw is almost certain.
I now believe that the best way to disassemble these is by removing the grips then wrap paracord or perhaps a flat strip of leather the proper width? (paracord works) around the main spring and adjacent grip frame to prevent the surfaces from being marred and clamping the mainspring against the grip frame with a CAREFULLY ADJUSTED needle nose vise grip (small size works) then simply unscrew the front trigger guard screw and the 2 grip frame screws. The rest should be easy to figure out.
Iron gripping the frame and grip frame together with bare hand while unscrewing the screws is not appealing to me.
The screw holes need to be precisely aligned and the trigger bolt spring (a Remington/Colt like forked spring) does not have a separate screw but is held in place by the front trigger guard screw and loves to move out of place at the slightest shake when reassembling. Putting it together without having the mainspring clamped is too much of a pain in my opinion.
Did any originals have safety notches on the cylinder of any kind ? These things seem to be a 5 shot pistol (hammer resting on an empty chamber) if you want to be safe from accidental discharges. Not a big deal to me but I do see it as a step backwards.
That is good. A set of the needed bits only should be affordable to most people and these bits fit standard size holders (both cheap and pricy ones.) I do like the Magna-Tip handles though.
Without the proper size buggering your R&S screw is almost certain.
I now believe that the best way to disassemble these is by removing the grips then wrap paracord or perhaps a flat strip of leather the proper width? (paracord works) around the main spring and adjacent grip frame to prevent the surfaces from being marred and clamping the mainspring against the grip frame with a CAREFULLY ADJUSTED needle nose vise grip (small size works) then simply unscrew the front trigger guard screw and the 2 grip frame screws. The rest should be easy to figure out.
Iron gripping the frame and grip frame together with bare hand while unscrewing the screws is not appealing to me.
The screw holes need to be precisely aligned and the trigger bolt spring (a Remington/Colt like forked spring) does not have a separate screw but is held in place by the front trigger guard screw and loves to move out of place at the slightest shake when reassembling. Putting it together without having the mainspring clamped is too much of a pain in my opinion.
Did any originals have safety notches on the cylinder of any kind ? These things seem to be a 5 shot pistol (hammer resting on an empty chamber) if you want to be safe from accidental discharges. Not a big deal to me but I do see it as a step backwards.
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The U bolt and metal strap works perfectly on the R&S. 1/4 inch shrink wrap over a the U bolt with a thin layer of black tape under (just in case shrink wrap breaks) and a moderate amount of black tape over the strap.
Wing nuts were not used or necessary. Just cock the hammer to full cock, put the U bolt and strap in place screw the nuts all the way up then slowly de cock. Enough tension is removed so when the hammer drops the spring is no longer contacting it. Every thing then comes apart easily. Thin bit gunsmith screw driver set is a must.
I am sorry I don't know the size of the U bolt used but it was the smaller of the two.
Thanks. This setup makes the job a lot easier and would probably work on other similar spring setups. It's a super easy to get bargain at .99 cents to $3.00 in just about any hardware store.
Wing nuts were not used or necessary. Just cock the hammer to full cock, put the U bolt and strap in place screw the nuts all the way up then slowly de cock. Enough tension is removed so when the hammer drops the spring is no longer contacting it. Every thing then comes apart easily. Thin bit gunsmith screw driver set is a must.
I am sorry I don't know the size of the U bolt used but it was the smaller of the two.
Thanks. This setup makes the job a lot easier and would probably work on other similar spring setups. It's a super easy to get bargain at .99 cents to $3.00 in just about any hardware store.
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Gordon
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A New one for sale !
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880075692
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/880075692
whughett
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Temptation get thee behind me. I got two but not Navy Arms and not new in box.
I got two but not Navy Arms and not new in box.
Gordon
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wonder who made it ? I can't quite see cartouches. I like the only non original markings are the Black powder warning on right side of barrel.
whughett
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Armi San Marco or possibly Armi San Paulo.
DocRock
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As far as I know, only Euroarms ever made them. I have heard chatter about at a Hege made version but do not believe it to be true.
falmike
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Disassembly video:
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Good stuff
Assembly video:
Good stuff
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