Rossi 62 .22LR Pump vs. Henry .22LR Pump?

[Aragon]

I sent an email to Mr. Anthony Imperato a long time ago asking if his pump action 22 was suitable for action shooting? He recommended his level action .22. He didn't say why though.

 

[DPris]

What do you mean by action shooting?
Denis

 

[Aragon]

What do you mean by action shooting?
Denis

http://www.nssf.org/rimfire/

 

[DPris]

Thanks.

Did you explain that to him?
The first thing I thought of when you said "action games" was Cowboy Action Shooting, and unless you clarified it for him he probably assumed the same, in which case his leverguns would be a much more appropriate suggestion than a pump.
Denis

 

[Aragon]

Thanks.

Did you explain that to him?
The first thing I thought of when you said "action games" was Cowboy Action Shooting, and unless you clarified it for him he probably assumed the same, in which case his leverguns would be a much more appropriate suggestion than a pump.
Denis

Yep.

I didn't say "action games." I said "action shooting." Other than a bit more difficult targeting, it's pretty much the same as far as firearms requirements with regard to CAS.

Lever guns would definitely not "be a much more appropriate suggestion" than a pump action as both (Colt Lightning) were common in the Old West and both actions are approved for CAS.

 

[Aragon]

I haven't even seen the Henry.

I owned a Rossi.

Buy the Henry.

It sounds like the Rossi/Taurus are hit-and-miss from a product quality standpoint. I've heard both very good and very bad reports on them. I wonder if it depends who was building them in terms of quality?

 

[DPris]

Aragon,
If you just left it at "action shooting", since Anthony's company is centered largely around leverguns, he most likely made the same assumption I did- Cowboy Action Shooting.
Quite easy for him to make that assumption, and since 99% of the main match CAS stages are shot with leverguns, it was a very appropriate suggestion for him to make.

On top of which, leverguns out-numbered those Colt pumps by thousands to one even back then, the lever gives much more...leverage in quickly operating a long gun, precisely no CAS champ has ever won major titles with a pump, and the pump in CAS is relatively scarce.

Denis

 

[Aragon]

Aragon,
If you just left it at "action shooting", since Anthony's company is centered largely around leverguns, he most likely made the same assumption I did- Cowboy Action Shooting.

Who said I left it at "action shooting?" Only you.

Let's say I did though and that Mr. Imperato concluded that I was talking about CAS. There would be no reason based solely on that conclusion that would make him suggest a lever gun over a pump (or the reverse) -- both would be quite acceptable for CAS (if CAS allowed adults to use rimfire firearms which it does not.)

The were only four possible reasons that would make him suggest their lever gun over their pump gun. Either speed to cycle, performance reliability, durability or (I suppose) simply wanting his lever guns to be seen in action rimfire events. I didn't ask which of the four (or perhaps all four) he based his recommendation on.

CAS had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Quite easy for him to make that assumption, and since 99% of the main match CAS stages are shot with leverguns, it was a very appropriate suggestion for him to make.

Your comment simply makes no sense given the actual situation. 0% of adult CAS matches are shot with rimfire firearms. He was aware of what I was talking about. (In fact no more than 2 months earlier he sponsored someone I used to squad with. He gave the guy 2 rimfire lever rifles and quite a bit of Henry gear.)

On top of which, leverguns out-numbered those Colt pumps by thousands to one even back then, the lever gives much more...leverage in quickly operating a long gun, precisely no CAS champ has ever won major titles with a pump, and the pump in CAS is relatively scarce.

Denis

So? Please, please stop trying to complicate this question with your CAF interjections. He was very aware that I was after the fastest and most reliable rimfire rifle he had available.

 

[DPris]

I'm not the one complicating things, I'm just trying to give you reasons why, based on your own statements that you only told him "action shooting" in #30, he recommended a levergun.

You got his recommendation on his fastest & most reliable rimfire rifle he had available & said you didn't understand it.

I was trying, obviously without success, to help you understand his recommendation.

You apparently still don't, and apparently still won't, so I'll leave you with it.
Denis

 

[Aragon]

I'm not the one complicating things, I'm just trying to give you reasons why, based on your own statements that you only told him "action shooting" in #30, he recommended a levergun.

CAS is a complete red herring.

You got his recommendation on his fastest & most reliable rimfire rifle he had available & said you didn't understand it.

No, I said I wasn't sure why he made the recommendation he did. Still has nothing to do with CAS.

I was trying, obviously without success, to help you understand his recommendation.

CAS doesn't even allow adults to shoot rimfire.

You apparently still don't, and apparently still won't, so I'll leave you with it.
Denis

I'm not going to back down on this one. You began with your "actions games" comment and then made every twist and turn you could to justify your comments. One final time, CAS is a red herring in the context of this thread.

 

[DPris]

One absolutely final time here: You got his recommendation for his fastest rimfire, because the levers are, overall, faster than his pump in an action shoot context.
That includes any event where speed coupled with accuracy contribute to the overall score.

If you can't understand why, then you can't.
Done.
Denis

 

[Aragon]

One absolutely final time here: You got his recommendation for his fastest rimfire, because the levers are, overall, faster than his pump in an action shoot context.
That includes any event where speed coupled with accuracy contribute to the overall score.

If you can't understand why, then you can't.
Done.
Denis

Now you are changing your story. Earlier you suggested that a lever gun was recommended because it's the most commonly used in CAS.

From a pure physics standpoint, a pump is inherently faster than a lever, hence my interest. Linear motion is faster than radial motion in this context, no torque is applied to the gun to upset its sight picture, both hands remain planted, etc.

I have no interest in CAS (targeting isn't challenging in the least and making 5 runs over an entire day of shooting is far too slow paced for me), but I'm quite certain if the feeding reliability of historic/replica centerfire pumps were on a par with levers, that pumps would rule in CAS given their inherently faster and more accurate operating characteristics.

 

[Art Eatman]

Sorta wandered way away from the original subject. Answers seem to be a mixed bag. Era of manufacture seems to be the primary issue.