Ruger-made Marlin different twist rate from JM Marlins (?)

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My 2002 stainless 1894 Marlin in .44 Magnum has a 1 in 38 rifling twist according to specifications I've read. The new Ruger-made 1894 rifling is, I believe, 1 in 20 inch twist rate rifling. Knowing the effort Ruger does put into gun features, I'm wondering if Ruger found a really good reason to change the twist rate. And wondering if I'm now behind the potential accuracy curve with the much slower twist rate.
I'd appreciate other's thoughts on how to maximize accuracy potential with my older, but just as beautiful 2002-made Marlin.
I don't hunt any more. My fun comes from punching holes really close to each other from a bench.
Thanks. Don
 
Ruger is doing what 1894 44 Mag owners have been yelling for years.

Before that, 444 Marlin owners wanted a faster twist than 1:38 and Marlin finally gave it to them in 1999. They never did for 44 Mag though. SAAMI spec calls for 1:38 twist and .431 bore for 44 Mag rifles so that is what Marlin followed. I think Marlin may have submitted that to SAAMI for 44 Mag rifle specs even. H&R/New England 44 Mag rifles are also 1:38. Rossi/Puma 1892 clones are anywhere between 1:38 and 1:32. That one has never been completely hashed out. Henry and CVA made their 44 rifles 1:20 from the beginning.

Folks wanted to shoot 300+ gr bullets more reliably and sometimes a 1:38 would do it and sometimes it wouldn’t. 1:20 will always stabilize 300-350 gr bullets both lead and jacketed. It doesn’t seem to increase accuracy though. 1894s are still right around 2”@100 according to the most resent shooting reviews of the new Ruglin 1894.

Rest assured, your 1:38 Marlin will shoot 240 gr just as well as a new one with 1:20 will shoot 240s or 300s. Yours may even shoot 300s just fine. My 2007 Marlin 1894SS shot 300 gr XTP factory ammo around 3”@100 which is all I could muster from it for accuracy without slugging the barrel and getting custom sized bullets.
 
Thank you. So am I understanding pretty well that 240 grain should be fine in my 1:38 twist Marlin? I cast my own and buy some cast SWC style slugs. They do well in my old large frame New Vaquero .44 magnum and 4 5/8 inch SBH .44 Magnum. Would like to have a go-to projectile for the three. And hoping the SWC feeds well in my 1894.
Appreciate your all's educating me.
Don
 
Tall....200's & 240's work well in my Marlin 336 .44 built in '64 with Micro-Groove rifling. They also work well in my son's 1894 Marlin. Both cast and Hornady, Remington and Sierra's will feed well in both guns. For our use, on deer here in KY, they do very well indeed, and there are no problems with stabilization, nor recoil from the relatively light Marlins.

As for cast: I use straight wheel weight alloy +1-2% tin for mold fill out. The very best are Lyman's 429244 & 429215, both gas check types (GC) based on the old Thompson design. The 429244 goes ~255 grains from my mold and drops at 0 .432" dia. with the above alloy. The 429215 weighs in at ~225 gr with the same alloy and mic's the same as well. Of the two, the 429215 feeds just a little better, but both will cycle through the 336 and 1894 designs if the lever is operated as you would for a 2nd shot at a wounded deer...aggressively.

Ranch Dog's old design: 432.265 GC is also a great cast bullet in both of our guns. IIRC, it was designed specifically for use in Marlin lever guns and feeds the best of any cast LSWC I have tried. I size it to 0.432+". It's an older Lee produced model in aluminum, and casts well. It features a wide flat point that's a good killer on deer. I've found it to be equally accurate as the Lymans listed above as well as my favorite jacketed type: Hornady's 240 gr XTP. All of the Lyman's & Ranch Dog molds are LSWC's offering through and through penetration on deer hit through the slats and/or the shoulders. The Hornady 240 XTP gives good penetration & expansion for chest shot deer.

Conversely, Keith's famous 429421, the Lyman version, does not feed well through either gun and drops slightly undersize for rifle use...around 0.430", which is ok for the handguns but leads somewhat with the Marlin carbines. Nor is it as accurate as the 429244 or 439215 GC Lymans.

For all of the above cast designs, I use 296, Accurate #9 or 2400 powders with charges that usually run a grain or two below max from the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual. Accuracy is good, averaging ~2" out 75 yds or so with a 2.5x scope mounted and shot from a rest. Leading has not been an issue whatsoever and that's with air cooled bullets. BTW, with 296 & #9 I use magnum LR primers, and standard types with 2400.
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While I've had some success, using Missouri Bullet Co's 240 gr LSWCs, accuracy was not as good; ~3+" at 50 yds, scoped; with some leading issues as well.

With both Marlins, cast bullet diameters make an enormous difference in both accuracy and leading, more so than does alloy/lube in my experience. I use the biggest dia. that'll chamber.... that's 0.432+". I lube with a ancient Lyman 450 sizer, using a sizing die honed to apply lube only; accepting the 'as cast' dia.

Be aware that these dia's may be too big to chamber in some guns and may also have pressure issues in revolvers. In my .44 cal. guns (Ruger .44 Spl's, BH's, and a quartet of Smith .44 Magnums), I size to 0.430" which gives me good sub-2" groups at 25 yds from a solid rest. I do not use my hand loaded rifle and handgun rounds interchangeably. To positively identify rifle only rounds, I color code their primers with a magic marker and also run a red marker band around each bullet nose just above the scraping band.

HTH's Rod
 
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My 2002 stainless 1894 Marlin in .44 Magnum has a 1 in 38 rifling twist according to specifications I've read. The new Ruger-made 1894 rifling is, I believe, 1 in 20 inch twist rate rifling. Knowing the effort Ruger does put into gun features, I'm wondering if Ruger found a really good reason to change the twist rate. And wondering if I'm now behind the potential accuracy curve with the much slower twist rate.
I'd appreciate other's thoughts on how to maximize accuracy potential with my older, but just as beautiful 2002-made Marlin.
I don't hunt any more. My fun comes from punching holes really close to each other from a bench.
Thanks. Don

The 1894 in the .44 Magnum has a now prevalent 1:20 twist because folks are shooting heavy for caliber bullets and the faster twist rate will stabilize them and the 1:38 might not. In any case, the new twist rate has no real downside, only upside. And there will probably be an 1894 SBL or Dark Series as there was in the catalog under Remington that will be threaded and able to use a suppressor. My curiosity is how large a bullet will feed in the 1894 action.

MG rifling is gone, gone, gone. The Marlin barrels are now made in the same way all Ruger hammer forged barrels are made and probably on the very same machines.
 
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Recall reading that Marlin switched from Microgroove to Ballard rifling at the request of the CAS/SASS shooters who found Ballard better for lead bullets.
 
And wondering if I'm now behind the potential accuracy curve with the much slower twist rate.

You have it backwards... 1:20 is nearly twice as FAST as 1:38. FWIW, I had a Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt with that lazy 1:38" rifling... it was a nightmare with heavy cast unless you were pushing them to Magnum levels.

The 1894 in the .44 Magnum has a now prevalent 1:20 twist because folks are shooting heavy for caliber bullets and the faster twist rate will stabilize them and the 1:38 might not.

Correct.
 
I've been hoping for this change for at least 20yrs. My 1894S shoots sub-300gr jacketed bullets very well but until just recently, there's been no leverguns that would shoot anything over 300gr.
 
It just gets harder resisting the 44 if/until a Ruger-Marlin in 45 is released. I might not be able to ’hold my breath’ that long...

The street price is lower than the 357 which makes it harder still.
 
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Next up in the Marlin Dark series is the 44 Mag and the 30-30, supposedly early this year. We shall see…….
 
Next up in the Marlin Dark series is the 44 Mag and the 30-30, supposedly early this year. We shall see…….
I want the Dark Series threaded barrel, barrel length, and sights, but with blued steel and walnut furniture. That might be asking too much though, lol.
 
I hope they'll bring back the 45-70 Cowboy model with the 24" barrel....although it would probably be too expensive for me.

Back about 15 years ago, before I moved back to KY, I was in my hometown here, piddling around town while on vacation, and stopped into a local gun store. They had one for sale marked at $500. I didn't buy it, and have kicked myself ever since for that decision.
 
The Marlin 45-70 Cowboy models came with 26" barrels. I've got one. There had been several different configurations sold by Davidsons previously.
 
When Marlin came out with the 45-70 Cowboy as a regular cataloged offering I wanted one. I knew that in previous years Davidsons sold Marlin 45-70s that were built for them in various configurations. I went to my local store to ask about ordering one. The salesman insisted that they were not available because they were part of the Davidsons guns from years past.

I had called the day before to Marlin and confirmed what the new rifles were. I had seen the new Cowboy model offered for sale but wanted to give my local store the chance to sell me one. Finally I asked if they would do the transfer if I could find one. He said "sure" thinking I couldn't. I ordered the rifle from the other outfit and my local store did the transfer. Still have. Love pulling it out when together with a couple of buddies.
 
I hope they'll bring back the 45-70 Cowboy model with the 24" barrel....although it would probably be too expensive for me.

Back about 15 years ago, before I moved back to KY, I was in my hometown here, piddling around town while on vacation, and stopped into a local gun store. They had one for sale marked at $500. I didn't buy it, and have kicked myself ever since for that decision.
I have 2 of the 26” inch Cowboys. They are awesome. One is a JM Marlin the other is a Remington and both shoot great. 50 grains of RL7 and 300 grain Hornady Hollow Points. Get one if you can!
 
Nope........The 444's and the 45-70's always had Ballard rifling.

That is not correct. I wish it were but I have seen many a .444 with MG rifling. When Ruger brings back the .444 it will not and hopefully they will coordinate the return with one of the ammo companies for a good bullet to go with it. Does Federal make Hammerdown or Fusion for the .444?
 
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That is not correct. I wish it were but I have seen many a .444 with MG rifling. When Ruger brings back the .444 it will not and hopefully they will coordinate the return with one of the ammo companies for a good bullet to go with it. Does federal make Hammerdown or Fusion for the .444?
The later Marlins had a 1-20" twist with Ballard rifling and would run up to 405gr. I would like to see that continued and would love to see some new bullets. They have a 240gr Fusion, so a 300gr may not be out of the question. I always liked the 270gr Gold Dot but availability has been sparse.
 
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