toivo
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Agreed -- I just converted mine. Some people prefer the M-LOK forend because it looks more combat-ready or whatever, but I like the Magpul for the clean look and light weight.
Ruger PC carbine
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I used it in Steel Challenge. I have the standard stock take-down model. Thought it was a little heavy but after weighing the components I discovered most of the weight was in the receiver so I've let it be. One caution, with mine the front sight screws were not secure, no evidence of any thread glue. I know this because the front sight fell off during a match. Check your sight mount screws if you're running iron sights. Other than that a slick design and runs well.
Riomouse911
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OP, they are like a 10/22 on steroids. A little heftier, a bit more noise and recoil, but a whole lot of fun.
I had to blue Loctite the front hand guard screw to keep it in place, other than that it has been great. The Glock magwell works perfectly with any of my double-stack 9mm Glock magazines (15 to 33 rounds).
I put on a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot, which makes plate-thwacking easy.
With a Ridgid toolbox and some Kaisen foam I copied an idea posted a while back by a THR member and made a great little carrying case.
Stay safe.
I had to blue Loctite the front hand guard screw to keep it in place, other than that it has been great. The Glock magwell works perfectly with any of my double-stack 9mm Glock magazines (15 to 33 rounds).
I put on a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot, which makes plate-thwacking easy.
With a Ridgid toolbox and some Kaisen foam I copied an idea posted a while back by a THR member and made a great little carrying case.
Stay safe.
zaitcev
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That would be cool, but with what magazines? Neither Glock nor Ruger ship handguns in 30 SC.
rdmercer
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I bought one 3 years ago and use the Glock mags. It is a great home defense weapon with 17 or 30 round mags. I have an OLIGHT/laser mounted with a suppressor. I'm in Idaho and proud of it. Great ballistics by the way.
Necessary_Nutrient
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I also have the .40 with a red dot mounted and can attest to its accuracy, but I haven't gone past 25 yards where it generally, easily, runs a connected, ragged hole. Unfortunately, it appears that Ruger is only offering this gun in 9mm at the time so the .40 appears to be discontinued.
As far as power, if you get a mid-weight bullet, decently hot-loaded .40 round like the Speer lawman 165, you can get pretty stout numbers from the .40. I have some factory numbers below but I think the biggest takeaway from this is how AWESOME Speer Lawman training ammo is. It's just flat out hot and these were not +P rounds. These were the top performers in both calibers for factory ammo that I tested and Speer Lawman 115 TMJ even beat 124 Grain NATO for muzzle energy in the 9mm by 36 ft/lbs!
.40 S&W 4 Speer Lawman 165 TMJ
3-Rug PCC40 16"
1377
1339
1340
1350
1335
1348.2 ft/sec Avg
Average Muzzle energy: 666 ft/lbs
Of course, 9mm will also benefit from extra barrel length (below are results from a 16" carbine for a same barrel-length comparison) as well but it's just not going to hit as hard as .40
9MM Speer Lawman 115 TMJ
4-FA FX9 16"
1457
1475
1446
1433
1438
1449.8 ft/sec Average
Average Muzzle energy: 536 ft/lbs
halfmoonclip
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That would be cool, and even the 30 round stick would be smaller/lighter.
But for now, nines are the way to go; effectiveness, cost, weight.
On this last, let's not get carried away with extra magazines attached to the gun. Let's keep it light and handy.
I even like 20 rounders better on the Scorp.
Moon
Capybara
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I have the Magpul Backpacker on my short list as soon as I can save up to pick one up. Great little rifles,
a ton of fun to shoot and economical. Every time I shoot .223 from my ARs and .30-06 from my Garand,
I wince at the cost per round. 9mm, especially with reloading, is still semi affordable to shoot. Rifle calibers,
even with reloading, are pretty costly.
a ton of fun to shoot and economical. Every time I shoot .223 from my ARs and .30-06 from my Garand,
I wince at the cost per round. 9mm, especially with reloading, is still semi affordable to shoot. Rifle calibers,
even with reloading, are pretty costly.
halfmoonclip
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Capybara, wish I could reload 9s; the primer jackpot being what it is.
But your point on cost is well taken otherwise, much as it grinds me to buy loaded 9s.
They are still relatively cheap to shoot.
Moon
But your point on cost is well taken otherwise, much as it grinds me to buy loaded 9s.
They are still relatively cheap to shoot.
Moon
Spug
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I saw that here on THR and decided to do the same, but then Ridgid came out with the 2.0 series toolboxes which have a nice provision for a padlock. Unfortunately none of the places I've seen that sell Kaisen foam inserts have introduced kits for the newer Ridgid 2.0 boxes, which have slightly different internal dimensions than the earlier models. Waiting hopefully for someone to offer these.
Pat Riot
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I have a Ruger PC Carbine. I bought mine when they first came out a few years ago. It is my favorite long gun. I love all my guns, but the PC is fun, accurate and reliable as heck.
In regards to recoil, it did surprise me the first time I shot it. Some say a compensator does nothing for 9mm. I call BS. I installed an Odin Works Atlas 9 comp. It really helped.
I also installed some of the cool MCARBO parts like the recoil buffer and the metal recoil spring retainer and their receiver pins. I installed an Sig Sauer Romeo 5 red dot sight on an American Defense low QD mount and a foam cheek pad, also from MCARBO.
In regards to recoil, it did surprise me the first time I shot it. Some say a compensator does nothing for 9mm. I call BS. I installed an Odin Works Atlas 9 comp. It really helped.
I also installed some of the cool MCARBO parts like the recoil buffer and the metal recoil spring retainer and their receiver pins. I installed an Sig Sauer Romeo 5 red dot sight on an American Defense low QD mount and a foam cheek pad, also from MCARBO.
ExtremeSquared
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The disassembled size is just a hair under airline carry-on size -- 52cm.
While that is a somewhat awkward fact, it means there is a pretty good selection of containers that fit the PCC perfectly.
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Don't put your PCC in your carry-on.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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I bought 2 about a year after they first came out but haven't shot them in a while----I should change that.
Finally bought an upper for my latest AR, I'll have to take them all out when that arrives.
Finally bought an upper for my latest AR, I'll have to take them all out when that arrives.
35 years ago I bought my first reloading press. I got it home and went to town reloading 9mm rounds at the "books" recommended "starting charge". I was having so much fun I didn't stop until I had about 500 rounds loaded. For the next 30 years I did not own a single 9mm firearm that would cycle these anemic rounds reliably (if at all) until I purchased my PC9. In the PC9 I finally found a quick and easy way to unload these mistakes and recover the brass. In my experience it would be hard to find a firearm that will be more reliable no matter how bad the ammunition is.
That said the PC9 is a blow back action and as such has a good amount of shock as the bolt hits the back of the receiver. This shock is unpleasant but not what I would really consider harsh recoil. In my opinion a delayed lock 9mm action is a nicer shooter... but at 3 times the price. After I bought the PC9 I also bought the PC Charger and got a free SBR tax stamp for it so the shock obviously doesn't bother me that much.
That said the PC9 is a blow back action and as such has a good amount of shock as the bolt hits the back of the receiver. This shock is unpleasant but not what I would really consider harsh recoil. In my opinion a delayed lock 9mm action is a nicer shooter... but at 3 times the price. After I bought the PC9 I also bought the PC Charger and got a free SBR tax stamp for it so the shock obviously doesn't bother me that much.
Old Hobo
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"Back when", I had a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm. Even after I put a 20lb spring in it and replaced the bolt-stop unit, the rifle didn't like 9mm +P+ ammo. As a matter of fact, it would deform cases and often jam, whereas the 9mm +P worked just fine.
The Ruger PC Carbine, I've not owned one. Should you wish to shoot this sort of hot 9mm ammo, you may ask around and see what other folk have experienced when shooting +P+ ammo in their Ruger carbines.
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The Ruger PC Carbine, I've not owned one. Should you wish to shoot this sort of hot 9mm ammo, you may ask around and see what other folk have experienced when shooting +P+ ammo in their Ruger carbines.
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ExtremeSquared
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Some hard-to-find info on the backpacker is whether it can fit a suppressor AND a g26 mag.
It can. Even the ASR QD ring fits in there, but with roughly zero excess clearance.
It can. Even the ASR QD ring fits in there, but with roughly zero excess clearance.
toivo
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Well ... you don't have to leave the mag in when you stow the rifle away, but OK ...
ExtremeSquared
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True, but having a mag on standby in the well is at least as valid a feature as the magazine that stows in the stock.
And deployment from stowed is much faster with a loaded mag -- without introducing any safety concerns -- if you want to play high-speed operator with the PCC.
Capybara
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Luckily I stocked up when they were cheap in 2015.
Necessary_Nutrient
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more lucky would be to have stocked up on loaded 115 grain 9mm when it could be had for 160/k or even as low as 130/k with rebates.
Capybara
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Did that too but shooting takes it's toll on the stash ;-)
