Well about a month ago someone posted about a larger .327 federal. I said I thought it was probably a year away before anyone except maybe taurus would begin producing a .327 in something other than a compact. Well ruger now has the an 8 round black hawk and a 7 round gp100. I can't say I care all that much but a lot of people will be. I don't think the gp 100 will do real well especially with only one more round and the fact it is pretty big for a .357. I do still like the gp 100 but 1 extra round with it's size won't make for a great seller, but the blackhawk with 8 rounds will have many sixgunners swooning I think. Single action keeps it small and 8 rounds with the ability to shoot 3 different rounds through it will make this gun a hot item.
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Ruger's new .327's
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the blackhawk with 8 rounds will have many sixgunners swooning I think
I'm really not seeing it.
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Single Action Party?
Of course, which is one reason his post makes little sense in the first place.
But what I'm not seeing is why any "sixgunner" would care about 8 rounds in a single action, to say nothing of "swooning", or why being able to shoot 3 rounds, none of which are common, popular, or powerful, would be an attraction.
As an owner of multiple Blackhawks and more single actions, I can say that what I'd want to see would be the reverse-indexing pawl in all new Rugers.
But what I'm not seeing is why any "sixgunner" would care about 8 rounds in a single action, to say nothing of "swooning", or why being able to shoot 3 rounds, none of which are common, popular, or powerful, would be an attraction.
As an owner of multiple Blackhawks and more single actions, I can say that what I'd want to see would be the reverse-indexing pawl in all new Rugers.
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Well I figured the black hawk had a larger cylinder or different construction with the single pin going through the cylinder rather than crane, ejector, etc. It still doesn't change that too few people will want only one extra round in a large heavy .357 design rather than 2 more in a small single action design. Not sure what cowboy action rules are but I would think cowboy action fans would be all over this. Single six fans of the old .32 h&r will also be interested in this pistol too, even though it is in a larger frame. For me, I'm not really crazy about the round, It is no .357 and if you want .327 ballistics out of a .357 there are plenty of 110 grain loads to duplicate a .327's low recoil. I'm sticking with my 9mm and my colt model .357, if I get another caliber it'll be a 10mm. I think the extra 2 rounds will make the black hawk sell and I think there are a lot of single action guys that go crazy for stuff like this, the gp 100 is a utilitarians gun and I don't think this is a utilitarian round.
No, not all single action guys will swoon over this armedbear, a lot of single action guys would rather see more calibers in a vaquero or black hawk like a .38-40 or maybe a .44-40. But that isn't a big part of the market I'm talking about although I'm sure some of them would be interested. I think there are some fans of the ruger black hawk and the old single six .32 and will be excited for another black hawk for them to buy and it has two more rounds than any other, people seem to just love those ruger single actions. Big bore guys could careless about this. If were ruger I'd have put a 4 inch barrel and adjustable sights on an sp101 and perhaps tried to get 6-7 rounds in a new vaquero size revolver which I believe is a smaller frame than the black hawk. The selling point of the .327 if there is a point to the round is putting it in a easy to pack frame size without loosing any capacity. But the .357 is way more versatile, factory ammo for the .357 barely cracks what the .357 can do at 40,000 psi where as the federal is already at 45,000+. What really holds the .327 back is most people would rather walk the woods with a .357 capable of dropping a black bear or cougar not a .327 federal which would kill a cougar but I'd rather count on a .357. Who knows maybe marlin will do a run of 1894's in them as well. I don't care either way I just thought it would be fun to talk about whether these guns will be well received and the future of the .327 federal. The last thing I'll say in this long post is that the .327 does make sense to a lot of people, a sacrifice in power for less recoil and greater capacity a gap bridged between .38 and .357 for the non reloader, well at least it's smarter than other new rounds developed in the past ten years.
No, not all single action guys will swoon over this armedbear, a lot of single action guys would rather see more calibers in a vaquero or black hawk like a .38-40 or maybe a .44-40. But that isn't a big part of the market I'm talking about although I'm sure some of them would be interested. I think there are some fans of the ruger black hawk and the old single six .32 and will be excited for another black hawk for them to buy and it has two more rounds than any other, people seem to just love those ruger single actions. Big bore guys could careless about this. If were ruger I'd have put a 4 inch barrel and adjustable sights on an sp101 and perhaps tried to get 6-7 rounds in a new vaquero size revolver which I believe is a smaller frame than the black hawk. The selling point of the .327 if there is a point to the round is putting it in a easy to pack frame size without loosing any capacity. But the .357 is way more versatile, factory ammo for the .357 barely cracks what the .357 can do at 40,000 psi where as the federal is already at 45,000+. What really holds the .327 back is most people would rather walk the woods with a .357 capable of dropping a black bear or cougar not a .327 federal which would kill a cougar but I'd rather count on a .357. Who knows maybe marlin will do a run of 1894's in them as well. I don't care either way I just thought it would be fun to talk about whether these guns will be well received and the future of the .327 federal. The last thing I'll say in this long post is that the .327 does make sense to a lot of people, a sacrifice in power for less recoil and greater capacity a gap bridged between .38 and .357 for the non reloader, well at least it's smarter than other new rounds developed in the past ten years.
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Not sure what cowboy action rules are but I would think cowboy action fans would be all over this.
5 shots.
single six fans of the old .32 h&r
I'm sure both of them will jump on it. If the guns sold well, would Ruger have dropped them? Also, the whole point was a smaller gun, not a big gun that shoots a little bullet.
For me, I'm not really crazy about the round,
Neither are the sixgun fans you claimed would swoon. .357 is marginal. Interest in .45 Colt and .44 Special have grown, along with .454 Casull, etc. .41 Magnum has some adherents, as well. There's been no apparent interest in another round starting with "3" among single action shooters, since the. .357 Maximum crashed and burned.
I think there are a lot of single action guys that go crazy for stuff like this
Again, based on what?
CAS: 5 shots.
CFDA: load 5, maybe, shoot 2, at worst
Hunting: .357 is marginal already; .327 has no attraction
Nostalgia: a stainless Blackhawk instead of a USFA? Come on.
Trail carry: See Hunting.
What segment of the sixgun market do you expect to swoon, exactly?
Like I said: reverse-indexing pawl. THAT would have been of real interest to single action aficionados.
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No dog in this fight...
But if Ruger had developed a .327 Single-Six instead of the Blackhawk....I think they would have found a welcome market.
I have a few of the Single 6's in .32 H&R Magnum and can tell you that they are a great hunting cartridge for small game. Especially if you reload them to their full potential with good brass. I almost always trail carry one of my .32 Single Sixes when I'm hunting bigger game with a rifle. Nice to be able to put something small into the camp stew pot, every so often.
giz
But if Ruger had developed a .327 Single-Six instead of the Blackhawk....I think they would have found a welcome market.
I have a few of the Single 6's in .32 H&R Magnum and can tell you that they are a great hunting cartridge for small game. Especially if you reload them to their full potential with good brass. I almost always trail carry one of my .32 Single Sixes when I'm hunting bigger game with a rifle. Nice to be able to put something small into the camp stew pot, every so often.
giz
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First,..I luv the Ruger Single actions. I have one of the "Baby Vaquero's" in .32 H&R and it is probably my most favorite handling gun and the one that is shot the LEAST of them all. I too carry it when hunting larger critters with a rifle, for the same reason others do. Small game. And I wouldn't really feel too embarassed in taking out a dog, a yote, ...or if it were all I had,..standing down the most dangerous of all critters in the woods,..the great two legged dumb a$$,....but having said that,...If I am gonna lug around something that heavy,...I'll just go with either my .357 Blackhawk,..or even better yet,..my .44 SBH,...which btw is my MOST carried AND shot woods gun. Sorry,..the .327 Federal does have it's applications I am sure,...but,...it hasn't excited me ...yet. (Though that Stainless Blackhawk with 8 shots of anything sure is a purty thing!!) Not saying I'd rush out and try to find one,....but IF I happened to stumble across one that was a good deal,...it'd probably follow me home just for the giggles of it.
I'm prolly going to end up with a .327 Federal. I've had fun over the years maximizing the little .32 H&R and think I'd enjoy the extra tenth inch of case capacity the .327 offers.
But then, I'm a bit of a .32 nut...so if I found a .32-20 chambered Ruger Blackhawk, that would have to be my first choice.
I've cast for 32-20 and when I lube and sized them I brought them down to .311 diameter. In a Ruger Single Six, with a 115 grain RNFP, Starline Brass, and a decent charge of Unique into a .32H&R Magnum....you'll find a potent small game round. It is nothing to sneeze at.
giz
But then, I'm a bit of a .32 nut...so if I found a .32-20 chambered Ruger Blackhawk, that would have to be my first choice.
I've cast for 32-20 and when I lube and sized them I brought them down to .311 diameter. In a Ruger Single Six, with a 115 grain RNFP, Starline Brass, and a decent charge of Unique into a .32H&R Magnum....you'll find a potent small game round. It is nothing to sneeze at.
giz
8 shot Ruger 327
I got all my big huntin guns from 41 to 500, I'm lookin at this little 8 shot for a trash around gun when I'm just walkin the deer woods or bushhoggin on the tractor. Might as well add it to the Ruger collection. Never even shot a 32 of any kind but I have a feeling this little gun is accurate. I've read about its performance and I bet it might be a good possum popper and coyote killer in GA. Deer seasons over here and them coyotes need killin. It would be fun with that little 8 shot 327. I need to retire my old 41 Ruger anyway, its been trashin around with me for years.I bet a lot of hunters I know will want this gun for the same reason. Can't have to many guns anyway. I just about got myself talked into it.
I got all my big huntin guns from 41 to 500, I'm lookin at this little 8 shot for a trash around gun when I'm just walkin the deer woods or bushhoggin on the tractor. Might as well add it to the Ruger collection. Never even shot a 32 of any kind but I have a feeling this little gun is accurate. I've read about its performance and I bet it might be a good possum popper and coyote killer in GA. Deer seasons over here and them coyotes need killin. It would be fun with that little 8 shot 327. I need to retire my old 41 Ruger anyway, its been trashin around with me for years.I bet a lot of hunters I know will want this gun for the same reason. Can't have to many guns anyway. I just about got myself talked into it.
I will probably end up with a blackhawk in .327 federal magnum. I have the sp101 and have always thought the round would be great in a single action for packing around the woods and shooting coyotes. I also have a blackhawk in .45 colt and know its a great, robust and reliable single action, so the platform is good to go for me in the smaller round. 8 rounds is icing on the cake.
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You bet they would!But if Ruger had developed a .327 Single-Six instead of the Blackhawk....I think they would have found a welcome market.
It makes no sense to me to have a big handgun chambered for a little cartridge. But in a Single-Six, they'd have to fight me off as I clawed my way over everyone else to get the first one sold.
Vern as I know it a 5 shot single six would not handle 45000 psi where as the old .32 H&R is only 20,000. Ithink execs may have talked about it at a shot show. I agree with you though, thats why I think the gp is doomed to failure when the very much smaller and sweet to pack sp101 has six rounds, I think ruger would be better off with a 2" model and a 4" model with adjustable sights for the 101. Not sure how big the new vaquero is but it might handle a .327. Like I said in previous posts this round shines in compact designs where you give up the .357 mag's power for more manageable recoil and extra capacity.
That said, I still think the black hawk will sell and maybe stay around for the haul but certainly brought out in limited runs. There are blackhawk/ruger single action fans in spades and they will buy this, along with guys who used to come to the counter and want a pistol to carry with them while dear hunting to shoot the partridge they walked across (although I never think it got used). Armed bear I'm sorry but I don't think it makes a ton of sense but as three posters have proven here, the 8 shot black hawk has pizzazz. Do I like it...no! I'm trying to stay practical these days and I have two handguns that fit my bills, for that matter I really don't like single actions, I don't handgun hunt and a trail gun for defense against four or two legged creatures is better had in double action, don't even get me started on cowboy action guys. As for the reverse indexing pawl, no one would flock to stores to buy an identical gun with a cylinder that goes the opposite way.
That said, I still think the black hawk will sell and maybe stay around for the haul but certainly brought out in limited runs. There are blackhawk/ruger single action fans in spades and they will buy this, along with guys who used to come to the counter and want a pistol to carry with them while dear hunting to shoot the partridge they walked across (although I never think it got used). Armed bear I'm sorry but I don't think it makes a ton of sense but as three posters have proven here, the 8 shot black hawk has pizzazz. Do I like it...no! I'm trying to stay practical these days and I have two handguns that fit my bills, for that matter I really don't like single actions, I don't handgun hunt and a trail gun for defense against four or two legged creatures is better had in double action, don't even get me started on cowboy action guys. As for the reverse indexing pawl, no one would flock to stores to buy an identical gun with a cylinder that goes the opposite way.
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There are two or three pistolsmiths doing 5-shot conversions of Single Sixes to .327. So it is possible. Is it safe? Time will tell.Vern as I know it a 5 shot single six would not handle 45000 psi where as the old .32 H&R is only 20,000. Ithink execs may have talked about it at a shot show.
That would be an excellent pistol. A good woods gun.I agree with you though, thats why I think the gp is doomed to failure when the very much smaller and sweet to pack sp101 has six rounds, I think ruger would be better off with a 2" model and a 4" model with adjustable sights for the 101.
The New Vaquero is basically the same size as the Colt SAA.Not sure how big the new vaquero is but it might handle a .327.
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