Jim March
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http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/News-11-11-2004F.html
Until now, all 45LC factory Rugers have been built on the "44Mag frame size" common across all "New Model" Ruger SAs, OR were Redhawks/SuperRedHawks which are at least as strong as those if not stronger (beefier cylinder, but the crane introduces a weakness not found in the SAs).
As a result, some ammo houses have loaded 45LC"+P" fodder that meets or exceeds 44Mag spec. See also this page for examples of the power levels available:
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#45colt
Note that these do NOT meet the SAAMI definition of "+P" as being "10% over factory pressure". Hell no, they're WAY way over that. Which is why the stuff is captioned:
Before 1973, Ruger had a smaller SA frame size for 357Magnum guns. This was the original first-issue Blackhawk 357 size, very similar to the Colt SAA frame size except of course with adjustable sights. From 1962 on back, the grip frame (XR3) was Colt SAA sized, and there was no transfer bar safety prior to 1973. Basically, those older 357s were a very close clone to the Colt New Frontier, except with a coil mainspring instead of flat.
This smaller frame size has been gone since '73.
Owners of Old Model 357s commonly had caliber conversions done to 44Special. For a writeup and description of such a piece, see also:
http://gunblast.com/Clements.htm
Especially since 1973, reputable gunsmiths would not convert such a pre-73, "three screw", "old model" gun to 45LC - because that would create a Ruger 45LC that is NOT anywhere near as strong as the rest. That's why the Clements conversion described above is a 44Spl - the smaller frame size is well suited to 44Spl power levels. I've heard of conversions to 45ACP on this frame, which also makes sense.
Anybody else spot the safety problem yet?
With this "New Vaquero", Ruger has brought back the pre-'73 smaller frame size, this time with a transfer bar of course. They even provide the smaller pre-62 grip frame similar to a Colt SAA. They've basically produced a third "transfer bar SAA clone", the first being the Colt Cowboy, the second being the Beretta Stampede, and there's a fourth coming soon from Taurus called the "Gaucho".
Ruger made this "SAA near-clone" in 45LC.
As a result, the "warning labels" for the Bufallo Bore and other hot 45LC+P ammo are no longer accurate and will have to be re-written. New box labels describing this "New Vaquero" as a "gotcha" will have to be developed. Some ammo makers may even do a recall if their legal departments are feeling particularly queasy, just to update the warnings.
My opinion: I hope to hell Ruger's manual for the New Vaq covers this issue!!! I can make a pretty good case that this was a major mistake, and that Ruger should have stuck with the 357 and 44Spl calibers on this frame for the same reason Clements and other responsible gunsmiths have done so. It would have given Ruger a very slight market disadvantage but I don't think it would have been serious.
Anyways.
Heads up, y'all.
This issue aside, the New Vaq looks to be a good gun for those wanting an SAA size class. The big advantage this will have over the Stampede and probably the Gaucho is coil springs over flat.
Until now, all 45LC factory Rugers have been built on the "44Mag frame size" common across all "New Model" Ruger SAs, OR were Redhawks/SuperRedHawks which are at least as strong as those if not stronger (beefier cylinder, but the crane introduces a weakness not found in the SAs).
As a result, some ammo houses have loaded 45LC"+P" fodder that meets or exceeds 44Mag spec. See also this page for examples of the power levels available:
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#45colt
Note that these do NOT meet the SAAMI definition of "+P" as being "10% over factory pressure". Hell no, they're WAY way over that. Which is why the stuff is captioned:
These Heavy .45 Colt loads are safe in all Ruger revolvers.
(includes Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Vaquero, Bisley, Redhawk)
These loads are also safe in all modern Model 1892 leverguns
as well as all Winchester & Marlin 1894's
Before 1973, Ruger had a smaller SA frame size for 357Magnum guns. This was the original first-issue Blackhawk 357 size, very similar to the Colt SAA frame size except of course with adjustable sights. From 1962 on back, the grip frame (XR3) was Colt SAA sized, and there was no transfer bar safety prior to 1973. Basically, those older 357s were a very close clone to the Colt New Frontier, except with a coil mainspring instead of flat.
This smaller frame size has been gone since '73.
Owners of Old Model 357s commonly had caliber conversions done to 44Special. For a writeup and description of such a piece, see also:
http://gunblast.com/Clements.htm
Especially since 1973, reputable gunsmiths would not convert such a pre-73, "three screw", "old model" gun to 45LC - because that would create a Ruger 45LC that is NOT anywhere near as strong as the rest. That's why the Clements conversion described above is a 44Spl - the smaller frame size is well suited to 44Spl power levels. I've heard of conversions to 45ACP on this frame, which also makes sense.
Anybody else spot the safety problem yet?
With this "New Vaquero", Ruger has brought back the pre-'73 smaller frame size, this time with a transfer bar of course. They even provide the smaller pre-62 grip frame similar to a Colt SAA. They've basically produced a third "transfer bar SAA clone", the first being the Colt Cowboy, the second being the Beretta Stampede, and there's a fourth coming soon from Taurus called the "Gaucho".
Ruger made this "SAA near-clone" in 45LC.
As a result, the "warning labels" for the Bufallo Bore and other hot 45LC+P ammo are no longer accurate and will have to be re-written. New box labels describing this "New Vaquero" as a "gotcha" will have to be developed. Some ammo makers may even do a recall if their legal departments are feeling particularly queasy, just to update the warnings.
My opinion: I hope to hell Ruger's manual for the New Vaq covers this issue!!! I can make a pretty good case that this was a major mistake, and that Ruger should have stuck with the 357 and 44Spl calibers on this frame for the same reason Clements and other responsible gunsmiths have done so. It would have given Ruger a very slight market disadvantage but I don't think it would have been serious.
Anyways.
Heads up, y'all.
This issue aside, the New Vaq looks to be a good gun for those wanting an SAA size class. The big advantage this will have over the Stampede and probably the Gaucho is coil springs over flat.