Rush Limbaugh and the defense of G.W. Bush

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It is a wasted vote until the 3rd party can put up a viable candidate. No third party has done that yet. When they do....I very well might vote third party.

How the hell does a candidate become viable if people like you won't vote for him?

This goes back to my point earlier about people wasting their vote on a candidate just because he's a better chance to win. How much better all those votes would be if applied to the better candidate, not the one that had a chance to win.
 
You know, here in Alabama the Libertarian Party is making some inroads. Though they have yet to get a candidate into a major political office, they do have enough voters to potentially play the role of spoiler.

You only make inroads when you become competitive and can influence the policy. Playing the role of spoiler is what the losing team says to try and sooth their ego after a losing season; "yeah we may have only won one game this season, but at least we kept our cross town rival out of the playoffs".

If that is the definition of success for the Libertarian Party, they are in much sadder shape than even I thought!
 
Playing the role of spoiler is what the losing team says to try and sooth their ego after a losing season; "yeah we may have only won one game this season, but at least we kept our cross town rival out of the playoffs".

Maybe you're right, but it really doesn't matter. Republicans will have to take Libertarians seriously simply because they cannot afford the continued siphoning of former supporters to the Libertarian Party.
 
With the Libs unable to articulate a meaningful difference between their positions and a leftist demagogue how can anybody take them seriously? As a repub I am shamed that some can call themselves libertarians while having the sort of wackos in their camp they most assuredly do.
 
Sooo...two questions

True or false...

The Lib Party might be correctly described as the solid left wing of the Republican Party?

The Lib Party might be correctly described as the solid right wing of the Democratic Party?

And BTW, I'm not attempting to be a bomb thrower in asking that question I just want to see how off base those questions actually are or if they the have no reason in them at all.

THX in advance.

S-
 
Republicans will have to take Libertarians seriously simply because they cannot afford the continued siphoning of former supporters to the Libertarian Party.

I'm not sure where you are seeing this continual siphoning of Republican voters to the Libertarian party. Lets take a look at the facts!

Libertarian vote total in percentage:
1976 = 0.21%
1980 = 1.06%
1984 = 0.25%
1988 = 0.47%
1992 = 0.79% for ALL 3rd party votes other than Ross Perot
1996 = 0.50%
2000 = >0.10%

Libertarian voters average far less than 1% of the total vote in Presidential elections. Democrat voters average 45% of the total votes in Preidential elections during this same time period.

Which voters do you really think the Republicans are going to take seriously? It won't be the Libertarians, that's for sure!
 
Cactus

My comments specifically address the Libertarian Party in Alabama. But, your friend Shrub is in trouble now. Polling data indicates that Shrub would lose by 5-7 points. Why is that? Because he's pissed off tons of conservatives.

And, so what if the Libertarian Party plays the part of spoiler, a role that you equate to being a "loser"? Your guys, the 'Pubs, will bite the big one, too.
 
My comments specifically address the Libertarian Party in Alabama. But, your friend Shrub is in trouble now. Polling data indicates that Shrub would lose by 5-7 points. Why is that? Because he's pissed off tons of conservatives.

Those wouldn't be the same polls that, one week prior to Iowa, showed the Democrat nomination locked up by Howard Dean would it? Or maybe the same polls that had Bod Dole beating Bill Clinton at this same point of the campaign of 1996?:D Yeah, I'm sure President Bush is shaking in his Tony Lama's over the threat posed by the Libertarian candidate.

And, so what if the Libertarian Party plays the part of spoiler, a role that you equate to being a "loser"? Your guys, the 'Pubs, will bite the big one, too.

The truth hurts, doesn't it! If you equate being a spoiler with success, that speaks volumnes about you and the Libertarian party. The Republican party is not the least bit concerned about the Libertarian presidential candidate, who will return to obscurity the day after the election.
 
That kind of childish attitude about spoiling somebody's chances is one of the big reasons I wouldn't vote for a libertarian if he gave me $10,000. And I say their "representatives" aren't doing them very proud.

"Yes, but I still have my INTEGRITY." To that I say, :cuss: :barf:
 
Republican representatives, for too long, have mocked the principles of a constitutional republic by adopting and supporting some of the liberal agenda and nurturing the ability of the government to "spy" upon its citizens. Like it or not, the Republican Party is beginning to lose support from its constituents:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040205-115100-7758r.htm

Growing frustration over President Bush's immigration plan and lack of fiscal discipline came to a head behind closed doors at last weekend's Republican retreat in Philadelphia.
House lawmakers, stunned by the intensity of their constituents' displeasure at some of Mr. Bush's key domestic policies, gave his political strategist Karl Rove an earful behind closed doors.
"It was intense, but I was not surprised at the tone of questioning during Rove's session," said Rep. Tom Feeney, Florida Republican. "But then this was supposed to be a no-holds-barred discussion, and our constituents are upset."
"They were all over Karl on immigration and spending," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and a leading House proponent of controlling the nation's borders and curbing illegal immigration. "This is the first time I didn't even have to raise the immigration issue myself. Everyone else did."
Mr. Rove addressed the retreat Jan. 29, followed by Office of Management and Budget Director Joshua B. Bolten the next day and Mr. Bush on Saturday.
"It's no great secret that some members of Congress don't agree with every single thing the president is doing," said White House spokesman Trent Duffy. "But he is trying to lead the country, to broaden the party. He promoted his ideas and his agenda for those in the room."
By most accounts, Mr. Rove and Mr. Bolten received the worst of it.
"I would not say we jumped all over Karl, but we did have a very pointed discussion about the concerns we are hearing from our base," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Tennessee Republican.
"Most of our members are very concerned about what they perceived as amnesty for illegal aliens under the president's immigration proposal," said Mrs. Blackburn, adding that she made it "very clear" to Mr. Rove that "this is something I'm not going to support."
She said spending is another issue that lawmakers told Mr. Rove they were concerned about.
Many of the 218 Republicans at the retreat said immigration and overspending had emerged as the top two issues in their home districts.
"I just got the results of a poll in our district, and it's 2-to-1 against the president's immigration plan," a House member said confidentially.
Mr. Rove gave a presentation defending the president's agenda, then fielded questions from the lawmakers attending the annual meeting of all Republicans in the House.
Mr. Bolten spent about three hours with the assembled lawmakers, explaining and defending the president's spending plan, said those who attended.
"I would say 97 out of 100 of our members who asked questions laid into him pretty good about spending and the lack of discipline on the administration's part," Mr. Feeney said.
"I felt like the message had been sent from the people [that Republican lawmakers] had relied on for votes — not just from disgruntled conservatives in the conference," Mr. Feeney said. "The conference has deep concerns about the Medicare prescription-drug benefits and that we need to get focused on what we stand for as Republicans."
The president's 2005 budget proposed a growth in non-homeland defense discretionary spending of less than one half of 1 percent, an area where most Republican lawmakers want a freeze.
"They certainly talked about fiscal discipline, and the president said this is going to be a tough year," said Mr. Duffy, the White House spokesman. "The highway bill is going to be the first test, and we do have to control spending."
In the days since the president and his top advisers heard the complaints from lawmakers in their own party, the White House position has changed, several members said.
The White House "has told us they will support a freeze if we have the votes, but some of us want the president to take the lead on this," confided a Republican House member who has been negotiating with the administration on the budget.
Many House critics of the Bush immigration plan said privately that the proposal was created to win Mr. Bush a larger share of the Hispanic vote in November and to mollify Mexican President Vicente Fox. Mr. Fox has supported relaxed U.S. immigration laws as a means to alleviate economic problems in Mexico.
Mr. Duffy said the president delivered a passionate defense of his immigration plan, telling the Republican caucus that his policy is not a political ploy.
"He said he didn't do it for politics [but] because that's what he believes is good for the country," Mr. Duffy said, adding that Mr. Bush drove his point home by saying, "I'm from Texas and I know this issue."
Only one congressional Republican at the Philadelphia retreat, Florida Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, spoke in favor of the president's immigration proposal, several members in attendance said.
 
BigG and Cactus

If Bush is so principled, then explain this:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63428

A loan to the U.N? Increasing funding to the NEA? Bush's prescription drug plan that has already gone from $400 billion to $540 billion in funding in less than 6 months? BTW, who said it was the fed's job to buy drugs for seniors, anyway?

Not to mention Patriot Act parts 1 and 2, signing campaign finance into law, and his statement concerning renewing the AWB if it were to get to his desk.

How does this jibe with traditional conservatism?
 
Man, the whole idea of principles is ludicrous in this day and age. Where have you been? Did you not hear of FDR, JFK, LBJ, RMN, JC, GWB, WJC. This is a little naive, Mr. Ojibweindian. :uhoh:
 
Man, the whole idea of principles is ludicrous in this day and age. Where have you been? Did you not hear of FDR, JFK, LBJ, RMN, JC, GWB, WJC. This is a little naive, Mr. Ojibweindian.

Principles are ludicrous? I think not.

Any way, how are all these things I listed in my previous post traditionally conservative? They're not, of course, but those are the things that Shrub is pushing. You wanna support a guy, or party, that has no objections to, or actively supports, those issues? Then maybe you're not really a conservative, but a mid 20th Century Democrat.
 
It's easier to push W in the right direction via letterwriting to him and my congresscritter than to try to convert somebody who thinks this country is equivalent to any number of socialist :cuss: holes you could name. Thanks for your advice, but no thanks! :D
 
It's easier to push W in the right direction via letterwriting to him and my congresscritter than to try to convert somebody who thinks this country is equivalent to any number of socialist holes you could name. Thanks for your advice, but no thanks!

I assume you mean Kerry, Dean, Edwards, et al.

These guys aren't Democrats as much as Shrub isn't a republican; they're hard-core socialists. Shrub is pretty much a 60's Democrat.

BTW, I don't see Shrub backing off the Patriot Acts. Also, he's never reversed himself on the AWB; he just doesn't talk about it anymore. And he's still wanting to blow tons of cash, some of it mine.

You can settle for the lessor of two evils. Me, I will vote my conscience, and not worry about feeling responsible for slowing the way to hell.
It's easier to push W in the right direction via letterwriting to him and my congresscritter than to try to convert somebody who thinks this country is equivalent to any number of socialist holes you could name. Thanks for your advice, but no thanks!

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Any way, how are all these things I listed in my previous post traditionally conservative? They're not, of course, but those are the things that Shrub is pushing. You wanna support a guy, or party, that has no objections to, or actively supports, those issues? Then maybe you're not really a conservative, but a mid 20th Century Democrat.

You assume that I support EVERYTHING President Bush does. I don't! But I do agree with most of his positions. Face it, not many people believe in the positions of the Libertarians.

Go ahead and vote for the Libertarian candidate and join the other 1/10 of 1% of American voters (if they can even find someone to run). Who cares? Just quit complaining about how the major parties ignore you. Why shouldn't they, the Libertarian party is irrelevant! They can't even garner enough voters nation wide to fill up a large football stadium.

Like it or not, the Republican Party is beginning to lose support from its constituents:

You've never had an arguement with your wife or kids? Just like families, major political parties have differences. And like families, everyone has to give a little and take a little. That's why the Libertarians are headed the way of the Whigs, they demand lock step obedience.

Go back over the percentage of people who have voted Libertarian over the last seven elections. Those figures show what party is REALLY losing support from its constituents.
 
Go back over the percentage of people who have voted Libertarian over the last seven elections. Those figures show what party is REALLY losing support from its constituents.

My political party is losing support from its constituents. I better leave too and vote republican. That will fix things.

Man...some of you people are like that battered wife with the black eye... "But heee looooves me and he dont mean it... he just gets too much stress around election time and it was my fault for questioning a 2.4 trillion dollar budget - I know how much that upsets him"
 
Cactus

Other than cutting taxes, what has Shrub done that deserves the backing of conservatives? BTW, the Libertarian Party is all for cutting taxes, more so than the Shrub.
 
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