S.F. Bay Area newspaper writes pro-microstamping article

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Today's Contra Costa Times, a Knight-Ridder newspaper for one of the counties in the S.F., Bay Area, on the front page, has an article on microstamping with a bias that it is a good thing. http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/14394934.htm. To summarize:
  • Mentions that 33 police chiefs and 2 sheriffs support it.
  • Says it would allow handgun homicides to be quickly and easily solved.
  • Quotes GOA's Sam Paredes saying criminals could easily thwart it by filing of firing pin, who then later says the bill doesn't stand a chance.
  • Quotes Todd Lizotte, who developed the technology for NanoVia, who says criminals won't go to that much effort to file down firing pins, and also says that they are "hard as diamonds."
  • Quotes Koretz [Bill sponsor; also sponsored the 50 BMG legislation] as saying the technology is fool-proof and will pull the bill if it is proven it isn't. :rolleyes:
  • The only additional cost mentioned is 50-75 cents per gun [no discussion of ammo]
  • Closes with Griffin Dix, head of the Million Mom March in CA, saying that if an ID number can be put on yogurt containers, then they can be placed on guns.

The article was written by Rebecca Rosen Lum, 925-977-8506.

The questions I have is, isn't the number one point against this technology the fact that something like 90% of guns used by criminals are stolen?

I posted this same information on CalGuns.net: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=32517
 
Firing pins hard as diamonds? Wouldn't that make them awfully brittle? :confused:

If a criminal is going to go through the trouble of stealing a gun to commit a crime, why wouldn't he take an extra 10 seconds to go over the firing pin, breechface, and chamber with a rat tail file? Or even to replace the parts from another identical gun? Heck, I have an Advantage Arms .22LR conversion upper for my Glock 30, and since the upper is not legally recognized as a firearm, what can they do? I don't own any registered .22s.

Methinks these guys are underestimating criminals.

All we need is for someone to stand in front of the legislators with an unloaded firearm and a couple files and demonstrate what a foolish bill they would be passing.

I know! We should have a database of everybody's fingerprints! That way, when a crime is committed the police would be able to solve them every single time. Oh wait, some criminals are smart enough to wear gloves and/or destroy their prints.
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It's a complete waste of time. That will only help if they know who has the gun. If the gun is stolen and bodies start turning up with bullets from it in them all it will do is link the murders to that stolen gun, not who has it. Ballistics can already link bullets to a particular gun. ALl a number will do is allow them to trace it back to the last legal owner. If it was stolen then it was all a complete waste of time. It will help in a case of a registered owner going ballistic and killing someone. Then they will be able to definately say it was his gun that killed the victim without going through a time consuming ballistics testing process. But if the owner dumps the gun in a river and the police can't find it and he says it was stolen then they are back to quare one. Regardless most shootings are not perpetuated by registered owners. So it will be a minor assistance in very few cases.
 
It's not about forensic science.

Just echoing off of Erebus, these type of attempts in legislation are not about criminal investigations, and are more about further restricting legal gun owners.

The million mom movement and brady group aren't organizations positioned on the idea of assisting forensic sciences. They are clearly out there trying to ban legal ownership of firearms. Micro-coding ammunitions is another "taxation" and "registration" attempt against gun owners. The whole concept of it is weeded with problems and issues if it were about real science, but they are not going to tell you about that. And of course what of unintended consequences, of all the reloaders in our country who surely later will be made criminals for producing their own custom ammunition?

It is well documented that anti-RKBA groups will try any way to slowly erode our rights with the thousand cuts of adminstrative death. They would like to see guns and ammunition be so expensive that most people will be put into more economic pain to practice their rights (which they don't agree we have) so to reduce participation in it over time.

The lark is that they outright lie to people and won't call it a tax or another form or administrative registration. It's for the children right? It's for your own good. You have nothing to worry about right? You don't do anything illegal, so what's your problem? You see the people out there in the world who don't practice their right to bear arms, will not see it a further infringment on liberty, sad to say.
 
uh-huh

'Quotes Todd Lizotte, who developed the technology for NanoVia, who says criminals won't go to that much effort to file down firing pins, and also says that they are "hard as diamonds.'
Yep, filing/replacing firing pins is soooooo difficult and time consuming - NOT.
Maybe firing pins are hard - BUT - primers aren't.
Primers are too soft and malable to take an ACCURATE and LENGTHLY 'id' number with any reliability/legibility !!
These 'people' have watched ( and believed ) too much TV.
Inscribing diamonds with 'id numbers', which is where this hairbrained scheme came from, is FAR different.
For one thing, the number on a diamond is not repeatedly hammered against another object, or one would hope
so anyway !!
Just another 'hey it's not our money and it will make people think, by dingle, we're doing something to reduce crime'
 
saddenedcitizen....

I think that is part of the point of all this.

They pass a law that requires a certain thing and then when certain guns or ammo cannot do such a thing those guns and that type of ammo is banned because they cannot adhere to the high standards set for California.

I think it is the same thing with "smart guns". Pass a law mandating smart gun tech and when it is shown that it does not work the guns get banned because they cannot be made "as safe as possible".

Nothing the gun banners say is about safety or the children. It is all about making people as helpless as possible, so there is no arguing with them. There is no convincing them that their scheme du 'jour is idiocy becuase today is not their objective, it is tomorow, next week, and next decade they are looking at.

We are nothing but livestock to these people. We produce, they take. Disarming us makes it easier for them, that is the goal. Get us lined up, cooperative, and unable to resist much like hens in a henhouse.

Would the fox (criminal) or farmer (politician or self-annointed "enlightend" types) come into the henhouse if he knew the hens were armed? No.

Both fox and farmer want unarmed hens for the same reason to take eggs and unarmed hens are much easier to take from.

Sorry for the rant or if I'm preaching to the choir, but we need to remember that if we consent argue the merits of any particualr scheme of theirs they win.
 
Today's Contra Costa Times, a Knight-Ridder newspaper for one of the counties in the S.F., Bay Area...
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One of those "newspaper" chains that's losing money hand over fist—and deservedly so.

We are nothing but livestock to these people. We produce, they take. Disarming us makes it easier for them, that is the goal. Get us lined up, cooperative, and unable to resist much like hens in a henhouse.
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Well said, Warren!
 
No since revolvers don't leave shells at the scene they will be bannd AFTER this law passes because they don't adhere to the new standard and all the criminals will turn in their revolvers at the local PD. See Eutopia is only a few laws away. </sarcasm>
 
I've heard that revolvers are coming more in fashion among the discerning criminal because TV has taught them about the dangers of leaving shell casings. While many criminals are stupid (at least based on the 7 juries I've been on) survival of the sub-species say's somebody will learn a lesson or two and adapt to changing circumstances. Certainly they'll adapt faster than the politicians. (At least the non-criminal politicians.)
 
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Ms. Lum's recent article contained many points that need to be
addressed. Firing pins used in guns are hard, but not hard as diamonds,
and not hard to file down at all. An overly hard firing pin would be
brittle and shatter from impact.

Given that most firearms used in crimes are stolen or not registered to
the person committing the crime, I fail to see the actual use of this. If
I have a handgun stolen and its used in a crime and the police identify it
as being my stolen handgun, how does this help solve crime?

Griffin Dix asked if you can put an identifying number of every container
of yogurt, why not on a gun. We can, and in fact do, its called a serial
number. The serial number is tied to the frame or receiver of the gun,
not the barrel and firing pin. The US Depart of Justice numbers still
show a large percentage of revolvers being used by criminals as well.

In short this is a half-baked idea supported by people without the firearm
knowledge neceessary to evaluate its potential. Stolen guns by their very
definition are the type that are extremely available for criminals. This
propsed legislation amount to nothing more than extra gun registration,
more hidden gun ownership taxes, and increased spending on do-nothing feel
good legislation.
 
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Good letter, Soybomb.

One other thing about microstamping is that since there's a federal law saying it's illegal to tamper with any gun part containing a serial number, it would be a felony to replace your firing pin.
 
Oddly enough I just got a reply to my letter. Sadly it appears as though the author isn't interesting in defending her position. :barf:

John, thanks for taking the time to write and for joining in the discussion.

Best regards,
Rebecca Rosen Lum
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Oddly enough I just got a reply to my letter. Sadly it appears as though the author isn't interesting in defending her position.
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That's her form reply. She's been getting a TON of similar notes, and actually seems to want to pursue some of the new information she received (e.g. removing the imprint with a diamond nail file, hearing testomony by the inventor that it's not admissible as evidence, etc.). Maybe not yet pro-gun, but at least a bit more skeptical of the anti's.
 
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