S&W M&P9 2.0 5”, vs. XD-9 mod2 5”, Sig M320 9mm 5”; accuracy champ?

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I’m considering getting one of the three listed pistols to use in the NRA PPC “Distinguished stock production semi-auto” Match. This involves shooting to 50yds. Precision/accuracy is paramount.
Which will be capable of best groups at 25-50yds?
Assuming accurate ammo...
 
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Not allowed by rules...

No match prepped; stock production, max 5.00” barrel. Double/single action or striker fired only.
Sig 5X series, XD-M, and S&W Performance Center guns; or PPC-9 and 5906PC (which have historically whipped everything else’s rear) are specifically disallowed.

Sig P320, Springfield HD Tactical, and M&P (by specific sku’s) among numerous others are allowed.
Glock M34 not allowed due to 5.3” barrel.

Intent is to allow LE officers to compete with issue gear on equal footing.
Hence, the specific question.
 
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Not allowed by rules...

No match prepped; stock production, max 5.00” barrel. Double/single action or striker fired only.
Sig 5X series, XD-M, and S&W Performance Center guns; or PPC-9 and 5906PC (which have historically whipped everything else’s rear) are specifically disallowed.

Sig P320, Springfield HD Tactical, and M&P (by specific sku’s) among numerous others are allowed.
Glock M34 not allowed due to 5.3” barrel.

Intent is to allow LE officers to compete with issue gear on equal footing.
Hence, the specific question.
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Whoop`s, sorry, i didnt know the rules, i dont compete in these new kind of gun courses. And thats a bummer, those P320 X5`s are a heck of a gun!
 
Actually it’s a new match with a new division of guns in good old PPC. NRA is trying to revive it by encouraging new shooters to try it out.
It’s not slinging lead like a lot of other disciplines. It’s taking a 580-587/600 to win a state championship or regional. There are only 3 or 4 “Distinguished” shooters at present. I’m trying to make the top 10. My S&W 5906 shoots well, but I’m leaving points at the 15 and 50yd lines. (4”bbl, and having to be deliberate on the first shot in each stage (mandatory d/a) to keep from double tapping shot and losing points). I can clean the 7,15, and 25yds with a good run, but at 50yds I’m getting a LOT of “9’s”.

With either the Sig or S&W, I can install either Novak or LPA adjustable sights with a taller front post to allow running the sights down to use a neck-hold (specifically allowed by rules). With a longer sight radius, I should be able to pick up some more points.
I’m leaning towards the S&W, unless the Sig is definitely more accurate.
 
I can't answer your question exactly. But I own an M&P 2.0 with a 4.5" barrel and Sig M17 with 4 3/4" barrel. Basically the same guns with slightly shorter barrels. I've shot them at 15, 25, and 50 yards. I'm SLIGHTLY more accurate with the Sig. But more accurate with my Glock 19 than either, even with the 4" barrel. I don't own a G17, but I shoot my G21 in 45 ACP better than all others at longer ranges.

But to be fair, I've owned the Glocks longer and am more familiar with them. Plus it is a small sample. And I'm not good enough to be competitive for what you're doing. I'm just happy to be able to get all of the shots in the 7's or 8's with the occasional 9 or 10 at 50 yards. My experience past 25 yards is limited.
 
Out of the box, the SIG is definitely more accurate than the S&W...although the 2.0 is a noticeable improvement over the 1.0.

Since you aren't tuning triggers...which is hard to believe, in and of itself...the trick would be to try several to fine the cleanest break. The factory upgraded P320 triggers are noticeably better feeling, than pre-upgraded triggers, the only issue is that many P320s are over sprung...recoil spring, shouldn't be an issue at the pace that PPC is shot

I remember our mantra, back in the revolver days when I shot my Python, You win the match in Match 3, but you can lose it in Match 4
 
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Actually it’s a new match with a new division of guns in good old PPC. NRA is trying to revive it by encouraging new shooters to try it out.
It’s not slinging lead like a lot of other disciplines. It’s taking a 580-587/600 to win a state championship or regional. There are only 3 or 4 “Distinguished” shooters at present. I’m trying to make the top 10. My S&W 5906 shoots well, but I’m leaving points at the 15 and 50yd lines. (4”bbl, and having to be deliberate on the first shot in each stage (mandatory d/a) to keep from double tapping shot and losing points). I can clean the 7,15, and 25yds with a good run, but at 50yds I’m getting a LOT of “9’s”.

With either the Sig or S&W, I can install either Novak or LPA adjustable sights with a taller front post to allow running the sights down to use a neck-hold (specifically allowed by rules). With a longer sight radius, I should be able to pick up some more points.
I’m leaning towards the S&W, unless the Sig is definitely more accurate.
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I`ve got one of the M&P Performance Center 9L Ported guns with a red dot... its just a range toy, always wanted to build a race gun but thats as far as i got with doing so. Everything internally is APEX`d, including the gunsmith fit barrel which i put in it. The OEM barrel dwell timing was an issue and the APEX barrel fixed that issue. I also put a APEX flat face trigger kit in it, dialed in the trigger loop, complete internal polish, it runs very nice and smooth! The accuracy is amazing! And 50yds is a breeze with it. I wouldn`t hesitate buying another M&P PC gun. But for what you`re doing, this M&P probably wouldn`t qualify. But i also own a bunch of other M&P`s, and they are amazingly accurate. As for the sig`s, i have some, they are top notch in accuracy. It would be hard to find better accuracy in their price point in my opinion. Are their better guns, sure, but you`ll pay the big bucks for those.
 
So, it’s a wash?

re: PPC
Yep still the same. Except in the Distinguished match (60shots), it’s won at the 50, but lost in the “quick 6”, (25yds, unsupported,6shot 12sec) or at 15yds; 12 in 20sec with a reload. Not real difficult to “clean”, but real easy to throw away points...

This year, the nationals will be be back in Mississippi, so I’ll be going back. First time since ‘04.

We can tune the triggers, but no external mods, or match barrel changes. Though some of the more gunsmith capable shooters will likely figure out ways around rules such as welding up and recutting lugs, and sleeving barrels.
 
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Out of the box, the SIG is definitely more accurate than the S&W...although the 2.0 is a noticeable improvement over the 1.0.
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When some SIG reps came up here, we did an informal shoot-off with our long-slide S&W 1.0s and the full-size 320. The 320 was quite noticeably more accurate. We don't have the long-slide 2.0s yet, but the standard 4.2 inch 2.0s are proving detectably more accurate than our second round of 1.0s. My personal full-size 320 is definitely more accurate than my personal M&P 2.0. This is what I know …

I have zero to little experience with any SA pistols other than the XDs. I've only fired a couple mags through a 9mm XDm and wasn't impressed. I know a few seasoned competitors who are onboard with the 320s, but over on the SIG forum, one of the competitive shooter LEOs is a huge M&P fan, so I doubt you'd go wrong with either.
 
Rules. G34 out due to several reasons, first, 5.3” bbl is too long. 5” limit.

Must be double/single or striker fired action. Not a match factory match prepped gun.
ie: a basic duty type firearm is intent of rules. It must also be listed as an approved item.
 
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