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I agree with Bob, but you must practice control. Back in the 50's a buddy was trying to improve his quick draw and I had to take him to the hospital when he shot himself in the thigh with a 45lc. Fortunately the bullet only passed thru the flesh and he had no permanent damage. I am very comfortable carrying and using a SAA and they are my most used hunting firearm but, I have years of practice. A SAA is no more dangerous than any other weapon. The danger is with the operator.
 
BobWright said:
The presentation of the revolver at eye level is fine, but all too often the assailant is going to be up close, too close to allow that type of shot. A carjacker is not going to announce the carjacking some ten feet away or so, he's going to sidle up to his victim before making his move.

Bob Wright
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True and I recently got the ship scared out of me when a bum came up to my car at a stop light in Oxnard. Luckily my car automatically locks the doors as soon as you go thru 10 mph. But I realized that even though I had a gun within inches of me I couldn't have gotten it into action before he pulled me out of the car.

My only defense would have been my knife as I was being pulled out, and that's only if I had the presence of mind to act, instead of React.

When things like that happen the VAST MAJORITY (99.9%) of people aren't going to be able draw a gun of any kind or even a Knife or Pepper Spray or any other tool. You're going to be reduced to hand to hand,,, so it might be a good idea to get some of that training.

Randy
 
W.R.Buchanan said:
True and I recently got the ship scared out of me when a bum came up to my car at a stop light in Oxnard. Luckily my car automatically locks the doors as soon as you go thru 10 mph. But I realized that even though I had a gun within inches of me I couldn't have gotten it into action before he pulled me out of the car.

My only defense would have been my knife as I was being pulled out, and that's only if I had the presence of mind to act, instead of React.

When things like that happen the VAST MAJORITY (99.9%) of people aren't going to be able draw a gun of any kind or even a Knife or Pepper Spray or any other tool. You're going to be reduced to hand to hand,,, so it might be a good idea to get some of that training.

Randy
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Its a really good point.
This concept comes up in CCW classes all the time.

Always lock the driver door *minimum*.

#1 defense is "tires and tarmac".

Remember that you are driving a CAR and the driving away should be an option. Even if you have to drive over the person trying to do you harm.
 
W.R.Buchanan said:
True and I recently got the ship scared out of me when a bum came up to my car at a stop light in Oxnard. Luckily my car automatically locks the doors as soon as you go thru 10 mph. But I realized that even though I had a gun within inches of me I couldn't have gotten it into action before he pulled me out of the car.

My only defense would have been my knife as I was being pulled out, and that's only if I had the presence of mind to act, instead of React.

When things like that happen the VAST MAJORITY (99.9%) of people aren't going to be able draw a gun of any kind or even a Knife or Pepper Spray or any other tool. You're going to be reduced to hand to hand,,, so it might be a good idea to get some of that training.

Randy
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My practice is, as I'm coming out of the car door, right hand is drawing and firing into carjacker's mid section.

Bob Wright
 
W.R.Buchanan said:
True and I recently got the ship scared out of me when a bum came up to my car at a stop light in Oxnard. Luckily my car automatically locks the doors as soon as you go thru 10 mph. But I realized that even though I had a gun within inches of me I couldn't have gotten it into action before he pulled me out of the car.

Randy
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I spoke with a lady some time back who was stopped at a traffic light and was approached by a pair of thugs. She had one of those lasers (on her gun) and swept it across the pair. They hastily tried to brush it off and hastily departed.

Bob Wright
 
BobWright said:
I spoke with a lady some time back who was stopped at a traffic light and was approached by a pair of thugs. She had one of those lasers (on her gun) and swept it across the pair. They hastily tried to brush it off and hastily departed.

Bob Wright
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I know a young woman that held a burglar at cat-toy laser-point for the police. Lighting was such that he couldn't see the laser wasn't attached to a gun. She actually made him call the police and tell them he was a burglar and needed them to come get him before she shot him! :rofl:
 
Of all the handguns I've tried, single actions are the most comfortable in my hand. The plowhandle grip just feels right.

I don't think I'd want to try to conceal one, not because of capacity issues, but because they look like they'd be a little ungainly for that purpose. They do feel "right" in a nice leather holster on the hip, though.

I don't typically have personal defense in mind when I buy a gun. It's so statistically unlikely I'll need a gun in that role that I can't see spending a lot of money. It seems to be even more unlikely that I'll ever be in a bad situation where I'll prevail with 10+ rounds but not with 6. And inside the house, a handgun is only a backup for after my long gun runs dry.

So, I'll let fun and comfortable dictate my purchase decisions and cross the self defense bridge in the highly unlikely even I get to it.
 
Jason_W, I know what you're talking about. I buy guns I want, some of them just happen to be excellent carry/HD tools.

I lean heavily towards 4" guns but in Ohio, deer hunting mandates a minimum 5" barrel. With that in mind I have one revolver with a tube longer than 4" I went with a "bare minimum" 5" 629 44mag.

I'd feel pretty good about using any of my 4" guns (except my one M64 38), but rules are rules.
 
Training and Practice are the keys to being prepared for a Combat situation. There are many games we can play to practice for a possible scenario, however you also need to practice your mindset and that doesn't require a gun or any other tool.

It requires you pay attention to what is going on around you at all times other than when you're in your easy chair at home with the doors locked.

Looking up and reading and understanding Jeff Coopers writings on Combat Mindset and Conditions of Readiness are key to this.

This costs nothing to do, but you must implement it into your daily life. (Personal Responsibility?) I also watch the "Best Defense" on the Outdoor Channel as they give all kinds of Tips and Scenarios that you can become aware of to keep you out of Harms Way. I look for information on this subject because the more you know,,, The better off you are.

When you go to Walmart, you need to have your head screwed on when you get out of your car and walk in the place. You need to scan the area and look for possible warning signs of Foul Play. You need to look at possible escape routes from the store in case SHTF!

Avoidance is always the best path to take,,, and being a Hero is what the Police are supposed to do.(but aren't legally obligated to do it) Being a hero in this state could likely land you in jail.

I live in Southern California. I can't legally carry a gun in public and a CCW is nearly $1000 and was a year off in Ventura County after I applied for one,,, so I didn't do it.

My Hard Weapons that I carry daily are a Knife and a Stinger, neither one of which I want to go to a gun fight with.

However the tools that I have with me at all times are my Mindset, and my Awareness of my Surroundings.

Everyone can do that at any time. The more time you are in that mindset the longer you will live.

Randy
 
BobWright said:
The presentation of the revolver at eye level is fine, but all too often the assailant is going to be up close, too close to allow that type of shot. A carjacker is not going to announce the carjacking some ten feet away or so, he's going to sidle up to his victim before making his move.

Bob Wright
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I practiced for fast draw for a few years now as everyone knows you should never try with live ammo but if you had to with a SA at CC faning is a fair option with much practice it's not hard to be accurate from the hip
 
Kaleb pack said:
I practiced for fast draw for a few years now as everyone knows you should never try with live ammo but if you had to with a SA at CC faning is a fair option with much practice it's not hard to be accurate from the hip
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I don't think I would recommend fanning. I can't see a practical application where you are both A) close enough to make fanning accurate enough to be useful and B) far enough away that you don't need your other hand (the one fanning) to protect yourself.

SA revolver means 5, maybe 6, rounds and reloads are almost 100% not likely to happen.

Each one has to count. I would recommend one handed point shooting before fanning, I think.
 
Good Ol' Boy said:
Why is it that so many holsters for SA's have an exposed trigger? While I understand that with the hammer down and the little "lasso" that goes behind it would make it just about impossible for the gun to go off while holstered, it just seems like it's "inviting" the finger to get in there early on a draw.

Is there another reason for this design on SA holsters?
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Most firearms require careful managment of the trigger, to be safe. With a single-action sixgun, it is the hammer that must be managed, in order to be safe. The Four (or Five) Rules of Firearms Safety are best amended tor single action sixguns, substituting "hammer" for "trigger." Pulling the trigger early will not cause a single action sixgun to fire, UNLESS the hammer is cocked. A broken SAA trigger may allow the SAA to fire if the hammer is pulled to the cocked position, without that trigger being touched. This is for faithful design copies of the SAA; obviously, transfer-bar actions do require the trigger to be pulled.

Actually, an SAA, and its faithful design copies, will fire all day long if the trigger is totally removed. It is called "slip shooting," with a "slip gun."
 
Kaleb pack said:
I practiced for fast draw for a few years now as everyone knows you should never try with live ammo but if you had to with a SA at CC faning is a fair option with much practice it's not hard to be accurate from the hip
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Never, Ever, fan a Blackhawk!

That rear sight will shred the heel of your hand into hamburger meat!

Bob Wright
 
Most days I'm comfortable with a LCR or LCP with no reload on my person, heck a SAA IMHO is an upgrade. I've spent a lot of time with a SA and am very confident in my ability with one and accuracy, power and speed are all present.
 
I'm a little surprised to see fanning mentioned in any serious discussion of single action revolver use. Fanning is strictly a Hollywood cowboy, wanna-be technique. I've never met a serious hand gunner who advocated it.

Dave
 
Munden was a showman and stunt shooter. And yes he could do incredible things with SA handguns, but I don't recall him ever advocating others should take up fanning a single action as a way to engage targets they want to hit (smile).

In fact I recall one video where he advised not to try it unless you had your gun specially tuned by him and at that he was gearing those comments to fast draw shooters, not someone using the SA for self defense.

Dave
 
BobWright said:
The presentation of the revolver at eye level is fine, but all too often the assailant is going to be up close, too close to allow that type of shot. A carjacker is not going to announce the carjacking some ten feet away or so, he's going to sidle up to his victim before making his move.

Bob Wright
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I agree, Bob. That hammer needs to start coming back as soon as you clear leather. You might need to fire a shot before you ever get the gun to eye level. If all you practice is waiting until it's at eye level to cock the hammer, you're at a severe disadvantage if the assailant is at or near contact range.
 
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