SA revolver help

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Chilean

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Hi

Guys, recently I've bought a Ruger New Vaquero :)

Sadly, I don´t have any class of formal training with the correct/safe use of a SA revolver.

The question is, are there some web sites, books or instructionals where I can get some info in the proper way of handling the weapon, the way to grip it, the safe way to load/unload it???
(I dont even know if I must cock the weapon with the weak or strong hand :eek: )

Please, don't tell me to get any class in the States...is impossible for me to get there anytime soon...

And please, excuse my poor english.

Thanks
 
Welcome to THR

We are happy to have you join.

Not sure of any online links as to how to safely handle a single action. Try SASS(Single Action Shooting Society), singleactions.com, Rugerforums.com

Most single actions based on 19th century revolvers do NOT have a transfer bar that makes the gun safe for carry with a loaded cartridge under the hammer. It is extremely common, and well advised, to only carry five cartridges and the hammer resting on the empty chamber of such guns.
The New Vaquero is a very modern remake of the 1873 SAA and incorperates the transfer bar so it is safe to carry with six. My wife owns one and it is a handsome, durable, well made firearm.
You should cock the weapon with the thumb of your shooting hand. There are aftermarket springs that you can obtain to make it easier to cock if you so desire.
I would advise getting six empty cartridges and practice loading, and unloading. You will probably hold the gun in your right hand and load with the left, unloading the same way. Unloading is easiest with the muzzle straight up and the empty cases will fall free when the gun is clean. You will need to use the ejector when it becomes dirty.
Some switch the gun to their left hand for loading and use the right hand to insert cartridges. you should try it both ways and see which feels the most comfortable to you.
Good luck
 
you can cock the revolver with eiher hand.I shoot mine two handed most of the time,and just reach over with my left thumb and thumb the hammer back.You will most llikely be way more accurate using two hands,most folks are.
You just open the loading gate to release the cylinder latch for loading,then close the gate.At that point I woujld wiggle the cylinder to make sure it's locked back into place.

Enjoy shooting your vaquero !
 
With a two handed grip, the weak hand over the strong, the weak hand thumb can be used to cock the hammer very fast. Do a search on line for Bob Munden Shooting. You will be left in wonder......
 
Chilean,
To check your Ruger SA revolver open the loading gate on the right side.This will allow the cylinder to turn and can be unloaded or reloaded at this time. You do not have to move the hammer to do this with your Ruger. You can safley load and carry all 6 chambers with the hammer down. Now close the loading gate and it's ready.
You didnt say what caliber yours is?
You can shoot with a two hand hold or one.
Here's one typical American teenage shooter on youtube;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpADRddRO7E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1VEy4X7IAc

You can browse all over from there.
 
Welcome!

Well, you came to the right place, welcome! :D

You'll find most of us are welcome to share opinions, experience, and on rare occasion, even facts :p

I think that most of us who shoot SA from a two handed grip use the strong hand thumb because it works better. You can certainly do it either way. If you look at pictures of shooters' grips, most often what you'll see is the weak side thumb tucked down so it is under the strong side thumb when you pull the trigger. This is ergonomically sound for most of us. I find it fairly quick with a little practice.

There are other techniques you can use for faster shooting, but if you're a beginner, I'd like to see you practice shooting well before you try shooting fast. An example is "slip hammering," which you can't do on a New Model Blackhawk (or Vaquero) anyway because of its safety design.
 
John Taffin wrote a wonderful book entitled _Single Action Sixguns_, that is available through normal book sellers.
 
IF your hands are big enough, the "pinkie under" hold is proper, or at least a viable option. This is where your strong hand's pinkie (smallest) finger goes UNDER the bottom of the grip. Under recoil you let the gun "uncurl" the pinkie, and then to bring the barrel back down after a shot the pinkie is used to help by "re-curling". This hold also helps you "index" the gun, in other words makes sure it goes into the same place in your hand before every shot.

The pinkie-under hold works the same whether your off-hand is helping or not. Remember that the SAA-family guns like the NewVaq were originally meant to be fired from horseback, one-handed. I recommend learning to shoot them one-handed, and then for two-handed use transition to the "Weaver" type hold instead of Iscoceles. In a Weaver-type two-handed hold, the strong hand's usage is the same as it would be one-handed, with the extra hand added for control. In Isosceles, the "feel" of the grip in the strong hand changes as you transition between one-hand and two-handed shooting - the angle of the barrel as it leaves your hand is different.

Some decent pics of Weaver and variant holds are at:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/st_stayingstance_200803/index.html

Make sure to check the pics in page 3 of that article to see the Isosceles hold. One point I disagree with Sheriff Wilson on is that in either the classic Weaver hold or the Isosceles, the knees and hips can be bent to allow more movement options than he shows. In the hold he recommends (basically an "aggressive combat Weaver variant" sometimes known as the Chapman), he has the foot/leg placement correct and then he stretches and "solidifies" the upper body hold while still doing the asymmetric arm placement that characterizes the Weaver as opposed to the symmetry of the Isosceles.

For a close-up view of the hand positioning, see also:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-23-35/chap2.htm

DO NOT do the "cup and saucer" hold they show in picture #3. Do one of the two hand positions in pictures 2 and 4, whichever works for you. In an SA revolver, pic #4 on this page is what you do if you're going to cock it with the weak-hand thumb, while #2 is for strong-hand cocking. I'm a proponent of strong-hand cocking because that way, I'm doing the same basic thing while shooting one-handed or two.

In the holds pictured in #2 and #4 (and again, both are correct depending on your needs), you are PUSHING with your strong hand, pulling with the weak. This stabilizes the grip.

Here's another series of pics of the holds in question:

http://www.corneredcat.com/Basics/stance.aspx

Where I disagree with her is in how she handles the Weaver and Chapman holds. As seen from above, I like to keep my strong-hand forearm lined up DIRECTLY with the barrel, when shooting one-handed or two. That means that my hold is more asymmetrical than hers is - my upper body is turned more deeply to my right (as I shoot right-handed - all of this can be reversed for left-handed people of course).

She's also not emphasizing "bent knees" enough. Lower makes you a smaller target, and bent knees means MUCH faster movement in any direction. OK?

What else...let's throw one other oddity in there. I'm right-handed, LEFT EYED. To find your eye dominance:

http://drawsketch.about.com/cs/howtoindex/ht/eye_dominance.htm

http://www.golf.com/golf/instruction/article/0,28136,1565286,00.html

What this means is, while doing a "regular Weaver" (both elbows bent for close-range, fast shooting) I flip the gun slightly on it's side, bent to the left about 15 degrees, to line my sights up with my left eye. But for distance shooting, I can straighten my strong arm, hold the gun with the sights perfectly vertical and then rest my right cheek on my right arm's bicep, which flops my head over to put the sights in front of my left eye. This forms a "cheek weld" similar to what riflemen do, and is VERY solid for long-range shooting. In this variant my body position is very asymmetrical and my left elbow is pretty radically bent. This "cheek weld Weaver" weirdness is only available to those who are "cross-dominant" - hand and eye dominance are opposite.

Back to holding the gun:

If your reach to thumb-cock the gun with your strong-hand thumb seems to be too long, consider swapping hammers, either to the lower-slung Ruger SuperBlackhawk hammer (same as what Ruger ships on the "Montado" model New Vaquero variant) or to the even-lower Bisley hammer. The SuperBlackhawk hammer can be mail-ordered and dropped right in; I bolted one very easily into my New Vaquero 357:

vaqhawk.jpg

The Bisley hammer fits, but you have to grind a little bit of metal off it on the back edge of the hammer away from where it fits the rest of the lockwork, so it's not anything needing precision fitting.

If your hands are too small to allow pinkie-under holds to be comfortable, that's OK, it's just an option for those of us with bigger hands.

Sorry if this is more info than you asked for, but, in my opinion every part of your handling of the gun has to be right from literally fingertips to toes.
 
Questions - Chilean

And please, excuse my poor english.
Your English is better than probably 90% of the posters on this board!

Sir - please don't worry about your English - as the other fellow said, it's quite good. Very few of us could answer your questions in Spanish. :p

If one of us gives you an answer that you do not understand, please let us know, and we would be happy to write a better answer. We're friendly. :D

Kind regards,
 
lefthanded

Just an observation,
I recently acquired a Ruger Blackhawk SA .357. To me it's built for a lefthanded operator and in my case that's a blessing. Flip the loading gate open with my left thumb and load it with my right hand. The gun never leaves my strong hand that way.
I enjoy shooting my autos but to me the classic single action revolver is truly more fun and better practice.
 
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