sabots for 30-06

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Umm sorry but the goal is not nearly reachable. I have tried some .224 bullets of 55-75 grains with the sabots and best I could do is 10 inches at 40 YDS. Remington made some called Velocitors a while ago and IIRC they failed miserably. That said I have a box of them with two missing that I tried and they were even less accurate than my hand loaded ones. Load them for rabbits or such at 30-40 feet and they might work however. Better off with a .22 MAG IMHO. The ones I had were gray in color but the same type of item. Mine were made of nylon IIRC.

ETA that the name is accelerators I called them velociters. Dang cant remember crap. :(
 
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The Velocitor was a .22 cal cartridge, not a sabot. Remington made a cartridge called the Accelerator that used a sabot, .30 cal cases that used .223 bullets. I used the Accelerator cartridges in my .308 and the accuracy was fine for general duty shooting, 2 MOA or a little better was very common. If you have a barrel twist rate that matches the bullet you will be using then you will probably have no problems.

The link below is a review of the old Accelerator cartridges for .30 cal and the current sabot loading process.

http://www.realguns.com/articles/700.htm
 
I've had much better luck than Frogo with sabots although most of my experience with rifles involved loading them for a .308 Remington Model 700 with a 1/10" twist barrel. That rifle would usually group 5 rounds around an inch and a half to two inches at 100 yards with blemished Nosler .224" 50 grain flat base soft points loaded into sabots. It's not all good news though, there would be occasional unexplained flyers that would open groups up to over 5 inches.
http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosl...ts/nosler-22-50gr-flat-base-spitzer-blem.html
Using fairly light (actually bullet length is what's important) flat based bullets seems to be the key to decent accuracy.

I've had poor accuracy with every boattail bullet I've tried and even flat base bullets over 55 grains didn't shoot very well (though nowhere near as bad as FROGO's results).

My theory is that the more bullet that's in contact with the sabot, particularly bullet base, the more spin the bullet will take from the sabot as it's spun up by the rifling. While traveling down the barrel there's a lot more pressure on the base of the bullet than there is on the sides. The outside of the bullets base also has more "mechanical advantage" than the parts nearer to the bore centerline (to envision this, imagine loading a pointed bullet backwards into a sabot, there would be a very small area in contact with the sabot base and the bullet would spin easily within the sabot).

I don't believe that even flat based bullets are capable of taking all of the spin imparted by the rifling to the sabot. I don't know the actual percentage of rotation lost due to the slippage of the bullet within the sabot, but my guess is that it's significant.

Since bullet stability is a function of RPM and bullet length, loss of rotation means loss of stability. If a 1 in 10" twist barrel only gives the bullet within the sabot RPM's equal to a 1 in 14" twist, you're going to have to shoot a shorter and generally lighter bullet.

You can save a few bucks buying your sabots at the site linked below.

I've purchased from them a few times and recommend them highly. Shipping is quick and their prices are reasonable.
http://www.jdcomponents.com/store/prodocts.html
You don't need the "Sabot Setter", a piece of hard wood with a small hole drilled in it works fine.
Do NOT use their reloading data as anything other than a general guide in developing starting loads!

There was a significant change in point of impact between my sabot loads and regular .308 ammo, it was definitely more than a couple of inches. That didn't bother me since the change was consistent and I'm used to making large sight adjustments when switching between regular and subsonic loads.

I pretty much gave up on the sabots in .308 Winchester because my Model 700 is HEAVY. I've also got a .257 Bob Ackley Improved that's way more accurate than any of my .308 sabot loads and far better for dual use as a varmint/big game rifle.

I plan on trying sabots in my new 300 Blackout one of these days.
 
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I ordered a hundred Sabots. From what i could gather the sabots from one source, were the same as the next guys. I used Swampman's link.
 
Remington made some called Accelerators, not Velocitors (that's CCI .22 ammo) years ago. Extremely poor accuracy and discontinued long ago.
 
I agree with the above 2" at 100 from a 30-06 that would shoot half that with a "good" .308 bullet load was what I found.

Makes for a good reason to buy another rifle though...

I plan on trying sabots in my new 300 Blackout one of these days.

I am not knocking you and interested in your results but that reminds me too much of Government work. Cut a .223 case down and form it to accept a .308 bullet to sabot a .223 bullet into it, with reduced case capacity, seems like something they would come up with.

Only time, after the first time I tried the "accelerator" rounds I was tempted was a .308 bullet out of my 50 BMG . The 5000+fps chrono results tempted me but lackluster accuracy made me forgo the attempt.
 
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I have a single shot 30-30 w/scope. With good 30-30 loads I could keep 10 shots inside 3" at 100. With sabots (the gray nylon type) my best load with a 55 gr. 22 was 6" or so.
 
I loaded the accelerators about 25 years ago in a TC Contender 30-30 Super 14" and a Marlin 30 AS 30-30 with poor results. I purchased 200 and still have about 25 left. Minute of milk jug at 30-50 yards for me. That was with Accurate 2460 and one other I don't remember, but I got no good results with them. About 10 years ago I tried some in 308 with the same results and a few in an sks that did a little better.

The Contender shot bottle caps at 50 yards with 125 ballistic tips, the Marlin regularly grouped 1 1/2" at 100, my 308 did 7/8" all day, and the sks was minute of coke bottle (16 oz) all day, so the guns were not the problem.
 
The Accelerators were great bunny loads at 50 yards or less; I bought a box for that purpose many years ago. Minute of bunny head at 25 yards was about the best I got from them. Body hits tended to disintegrate the bunnys.
 
I just orderd some of those sabots, and a box of 50grn flat base .224s. i have a new 06 coming, and ill try them in my bolty blackout....why?


'Cause
 
With the variety of proven 30-06 bullet designs and weights that get you between 2700 and 3100 fps already, is there really a need for saboted rounds of .223 caliber?

Remington Accelerators pushed a 55 grain, .223 to 4080 fps. Wolf Gold .223 gets 3750 fps already, out of an AR-15.

That said, I suppose there's something to be said for simply wanting saboted ammo to shoot, whatever the reason.
 
I am not knocking you and interested in your results but that reminds me too much of Government work. Cut a .223 case down and form it to accept a .308 bullet to sabot a .223 bullet into it, with reduced case capacity, seems like something they would come up with.

Guilty!

To be honest, I just enjoy experimenting with oddball reloading and shooting projects.

They aren't always useful or even particularly practical, but as long as I work safely, learn new stuff and have fun, who cares?

I mean aside from pigs.

Some of Satan's all natural ballistic gel substitutes might have valid complaints concerning a few of my testing protocols. :)
 
Back at least 15 years ago I experimented with the sabots from JD Components. I believe I bought a 1000 of them to play with. Best I could do with 3 different rifles, 2 30-06's, and a 30-40 Krag was about 4", the Krag maybe 6". I gave some to a buddy and he tried them in a .308, same experience. He gave some to a small reloading shop in our area and that guy threw some in a 06' case with some powder and started shooting them into 1.5" groups right off the bat with one of his rifles. Neither of us could duplicate his success with the same load in our guns. So I believe that they can be capable of some modicum of accuracy in the right gun. I still have a container of about 700 sabots somewhere, just in case of the off chance I ran out of .30 caliber bullets.
 
To be honest, I just enjoy experimenting with oddball reloading and shooting projects.

I understand, I too have been guilty of the same thing.
 
Thanks guys I did get the name wrong but found the accuracy dismal. I still have half a bag of the gray ones around here somewhere. I will waste no more primers and powder trying them. If I find them I will post up and someone can have the suckers.
 
Those sabots are a fun thing to mess with. I found that matching the 22 bullet to the barrel twist, chamfering the inside of the case mouth and experimenting with seating depth, some decent accuracy could be had.
 
What qualifies as "decent" in a yardage, round count and distance way?
 
What qualifies as "decent" in a yardage, round count and distance way?
From my 30-30 ai, using the 46 gr ww bulk bullets intended for the 22 hornet, shooting 7 gr. of unique a 2 -3 inch 5 shot group at 100 was about average.
The thing is with these sabots you're probably not going to turn your favored 30 cal into a wannabe 22-250, but if you find a combination that a rifle will like , they can be something that makes for an interesting bit of shooting experiment.
In one of the posts , the mention was made of the occasional flier. In recovering some of those bullets fired into a cotton wood log, every once in awhile one would turn up with the sabot still attached.
 
I just thought of a very important step when running sabot loads over a chronograph, at least one that has the display downrange like my old Shooting Chrony.

MAKE SURE YOU COVER UP THE READOUT SCREEN BEFORE YOU SHOOT!

A 50 round Federal .45 ACP box with the tray filled with empty cases works well for me, although it has to be removed after each shot to see the reading.

When the sabot comes off of the bullet it drops pretty rapidly and it has enough velocity/mass to totally trash an LCD display.

Unfortunately for my pride, the above advice is not based on theory or conjecture. :uhoh:

The good news is that Shooting Chrony repaired my unit for a reasonable price and it now works as well as it ever did.
 
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