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Sacramento CA new ammo law (ord)

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Harley Quinn

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Well it is upon us in the fair city of Sacramento CA
A new rule to keep ammo away from the criminal :neener:
Then there is the rule to report your gun stolen within a certain time or be fined.

This is really going to help...NOT.

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/319839.html

Discusting to the max is all I can say at this moment in time.

Hopefully others will have a better discussion about it.

HQ
 
Hehe. even the gun owners out that way seem well trained and versed in the anti ways. Collective good? Where have I heard that before? I believe a place that had a red flag with a hammer and sickle on it used to like that phrase....
 
The only thing dumber then these laws is the council-persons that passed them. I suspect the reason (?) behind them is that when they fail - as they well - they'll have an excuse to pass even more laws. :banghead:
 
Well I can see this is going to be a onesided conversation:uhoh:
I figured as much:D
Good.

Oneshooter, I had to do it:what: The sig is just to good, not to be shared:D:D
O God, forgive me, for I love it so;) LOL...

HQ
 
So there are essentially two new laws. First is a requirement to report a stolen firearm within 48 hours.

Second is to thumbprint ammo buyers and electronically report buyer's name and address to the police.

And all of this is just valid in Sacramento?

Yeah. It's going to make a world of difference.

(Sarcasm = off).
 
You just are failing to see the big picture. This is so that when a criminal purchases ammunition from a legitimate business the business will be charged.
The business will then go to court and say they had no way of knowing. They will agree they didn't have the "tools" to know and mandate background checks or pre approved licensing policies for ammunition purchases. Obviously that would be the only way to comply with the law. So they are laying the foundation for a the need for future restrictions which is what they really want.

These politicians are not as stupid as you think. They know coming out with requirements right off the bat will gain opposition. Incrementaly showing necessity for it will allow it to come to pass much easier in the future.

There is another thread about a similar law to make it illegal to throw away firearms. Also they have made it illegal to not report a missing or stolen firearm. This is about control not safety. It is so when they want to take registered firearms (as all legal handguns in the state are) from an individual any excuse for not being able to produce it is a crime in itself.
So if you commit any number of misdeamonor offenses listed, or obviously any felony, or in any way become subject to a restraining order etc you must immediately be able to account for all your firearms and turn them over immediately. Not knowing where one is, having thrown one away, obviously having sold or transfered it without ffl records is illegal, saying it was lost or stolen, all are crimes.
 
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Zoogster,
I believe you have it very well stated.

Now more will go to jail for doing these misd's. be fined heavily, while trying to otherwise lead a normal responsible life. As those who wrote the constitution allowed, our rights are being cut back severely IMHO...

Anyone have more for the big picture ;)
 
Since there are more guns, not to mention ammo, than there are even criminals, wouldn't it be easier to just require that all criminals come down to the police station and register there? That way the police would have a data base of all criminals, which would no doubt save them a lot of time.

I'm sure it would do just as much good as these latest laws.
 
CajunBass hit the nail on the head. I doubt it they would ever try something like that because it is far too logical. Politicians know as well as anyone that criminals will never follow the law so in order to keep busy they have to create new laws directed at law abiding citizens.
 
one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Registering ammo. If I lived there I would go somehwere else to get my fix of ammo. Sounds like a way to hurt the guns shops. Probably part of a much bigger picture.

Them politico's are dumb like foxes.
 
Not to veer too far into L&P, but that's the purpose of ALL government. Else why have government?

To keep people from violating other people's rights, and to help organize common defense.

Of course, that's just my idea about what it SHOULD be there for.
 
Since there are more guns, not to mention ammo, than there are even criminals, wouldn't it be easier to just require that all criminals come down to the police station and register there?

Man, I like the way you think. If you choose to run for office, let me know. I'll vote for you if you're local. If you're not, I'll send some money to support you.
 
OMG thats why i didn't bother buying a gun when i lived in california, its funny with all those nutty gun laws they have they still have some of if not the highest violent crime rates in the country. They try to curb the violent crime by making legal gun owners practically bend over and cough to validate their 2nd ammendment right. Its ridiculous
 
I can see this being another bad law on the books, all they have done is screw the business that sells ammo or carries it.
Ammo has never been a big money maker but it is something that will be needed to be sold at gun shops.

I can see a location that sells it outside of the city becoming a spot to go to for your ammo. Folks that are buying large amounts will always be buying it from a location that is selling large amounts of ammo. The person who wants a few rounds once in awhile will not be worrying. The criminal will not buy it so they have shoved them off on the county folks, Sheriff will have to adjust and they have been doing that for along time.

Cities are becoming bad places to live in, been that way for at least 3 decades as I have noticed.

HQ
 
sacro

has not california got a state law Preemption over the cities.that would cancel the ammo law.:confused: :confused: :banghead:
 
So, the criminal element will just buy ammo in Roseville, Auburn , etc. My wifes family lives there and has for years wanted us to move to area. I keep telling them no, kalifornians are too crazy.
 
I'm pretty much going by this statement:

"As a law-abiding citizen, I don't have anything to hide," said Larry Leidelmeyer, who described himself as a recreational gun owner.

"It's all for the common good, but the approach could be done in better ways," he said.

Remember this date Californians: September 8th.
 
The council obliged, voting unanimously Thursday night to require gun owners to report the theft or loss of a firearm within 48 hours -- or face a $500 misdemeanor fine or six months imprisonment for a first offense.

The aim, the police chief said, is to punish unscrupulous gun owners who claim their weapons were lost or stolen -- but in fact knowingly sold them to people who shouldn't have them.

So someone that is going to willfully sell a firearm to a criminal is now just going to make the sale, wait a couple of hours and then call the po-po ... how does this stop them from selling to criminals?
 
So someone that is going to willfully sell a firearm to a criminal is now just going to make the sale, wait a couple of hours and then call the po-po ... how does this stop them from selling to criminals?

It is not supposed to. That is the public reason given.
This gives a number of tools to the officials to harass gun owners who are good citizens (I almost said law abiding, but things like this can make even the best people criminals.) So say for example in the future semi autos were banned in CA or when the dems have control of all branches of government nationaly, it would be illegal to be unable to present the firearm.


First it allows LEO to make an arrest of people who cannot present thier legaly owned firearm on demand by saying they lost it, threw it away, etc (already illegal to transfer or sell without going through an FFL that updates the registry).

Second it also gives the local officials the right to demand to see the firearms registered to anyone (automatic upon purchase of handguns in the state)to insure compliance with this law even if stored within someone's home. So it works to remove some of the sanctity of one's residence.

Third it essentialy invites LEOs into someones home because they are unlikely to allow someone to go retrieve a weapon and bring it to them at the door and will want the home owner to lead them to the location.(Especialy in CA)

It will not actualy have any effect on arming violent criminals, it will simply give authoritarian officials more tools in ridding the population of legaly owned firearms, and additional control over law abiding citizens in the meantime.
 
Just buy your ammo outside of Sacramento - until this becomes a new state law.

Here's the story:

Hope, doubt collide over city gun rules
Prosecution would be tough, says police chief, but 39 firearm-related killings force action.
By Bobby Caina Calvan - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PDT Saturday, August 11, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B3


Police Chief Albert Nájera had his doubts. Would the city's recent plague of gun violence be cured by new rules seeking to curb the sale of illegal firearms?

Nájera wasn't sure but nevertheless urged the City Council to arm police with additional tools to go after those who sell firearms to gang members, felons and others who police say have no business owning or possessing guns.

The council obliged, voting unanimously Thursday night to require gun owners to report the theft or loss of a firearm within 48 hours -- or face a $500 misdemeanor fine or six months imprisonment for a first offense.

The aim, the police chief said, is to punish unscrupulous gun owners who claim their weapons were lost or stolen -- but in fact knowingly sold them to people who shouldn't have them.

The Police Department is to report back to the City Council about the efficacy of the new laws, and Nájera already has conceded, "Prosecuting (by) using this particular ordinance would be difficult."

The new law takes effect Sept. 8, along with a separate ordinance requiring ammunition dealers to thumb-print and electronically report to police the names and addresses of their customers -- ostensibly to flag ammunition buyers who shouldn't be in possession of a gun.

Amid a spate of gun violence, Sacramento police have been hard pressed to get weapons off the streets.

Last year, 39 of the city's 59 homicides -- two-thirds -- were gun-related, said Sgt. Matt Young, the department's spokesman. "The statistic speaks for itself.

"It's going to be very difficult to quantify any success," Young said Friday. "It's going to be very difficult, but why not give it a try? If it's going to prevent one homicide, it's worth it."

Some critics don't disagree that gun violence is a problem but contend the new rules are unfair to legitimate gun owners.

"As a law-abiding citizen, I don't have anything to hide," said Larry Leidelmeyer, who described himself as a recreational gun owner.

"It's all for the common good, but the approach could be done in better ways," he said.

He and other critics say there aren't enough police patrolling the streets, that existing gun laws aren't being enforced as stringently as they should.

"We've got lots of laws, and we've got lots of guns," said Franklin Zimring, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley.

"In this case, there are two questions to ask: Should there be accountability in both the sale of handguns and their ammunition -- and the answer is yes, of course. But the second question is how carefully coordinated is this particular regulation?"

Is Sacramento "just making a symbolic statement?" Zimring added.

The Legislature is currently grappling with similar measures that also would require gun owners to report a lost or stolen firearm, and would regulate ammunition to allow better tracking of purchasers.

Sacramento's law would allow police to compare lists generated from sales at the city's eight gun and ammunition dealers against the department's list of those on probation or parole, said Young, the police spokesman.

"People have apprehensions that law-abiding people are going to be targeted or stigmatized," Young said. "We understand people's apprehensions. But it takes only 90 seconds to fill out a form. It makes sense to get that information (about) people buying ammunition for firearms that could hurt our citizens."

Ammunition dealers say customers, law-abiding or not, can easily take their business elsewhere -- outside of city limits or via mail. They claim the new rules will be too bothersome.

Police, however, say it will take dealers scant minutes to record names, addresses and photo identification.

"Is it going to deter crime in the city of Sacramento? I hope so. But to be honest, I don't think so," said gun owner Leidelmeyer.
 
To politicians. its like a chess game. They're looking three or maybe five moves ahead. They'll start with this little law...add step two in a year....# 5 comes in the fourth year. I don't see why we can't get this crap fixed and force an end to the constant attacks on the constitution. :cuss:

Mark.
 
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Truth is, we are pretty much screwed to be honest.

The good citizen has been getting it from all sides, and when it is all said and done it does not matter if it is the criminal or the government you are still screwed.
 
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