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Mavrick12

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Should I get an SAK Vitorinox Bantam or Case Sodbuster Jr. With a Chrome Vandium blade?

This is probably going to be my EDC knife.


Im going to be learning to resharpen with this knife, As I just got an Arkansas stone. I read the sharpening FAQ.

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Sodbuster Jr, with chrome vanadium blades.

http://www.wrcase.com/knives/pocket...Family='Yellow Handle'&Folding='1'&Item='0032'


-Chrome Vanadium will allow you to be in tune with the stones and allow for easier sharpening , in my opinion and experience.

The truth is, this CV sometimes only needs to be stropped.
One that edge is sharp, and if not used heavily, or abused, some times just stropping on the back of a legal pad, or a old belt, will bring it back.
My take is sometimes folks remove too much metal because a knife does not need to be sharpened that much ( to that degree).

In learning, often times one "goes past" an already sharpened edge in sharpening.
Just a learning curve, still they had it, went "one more time" and have to get this edge again.
The may "miss it" a half dozen times, removing more metal each "re-start".

Then with practice and doing, it does not take long at all, they have gotten the touch and feel and they know what it takes to get an edge and do so without removing too much metal and taking a lot of time or effort.


-SAK Bantam is a very good knife!
Honestly, it is one of the best values for the money, for a knife that most only really need.
Main Spear blade for cutting and the combo bottle cap/can opener really works, plus the wire stripper.

This knife pocket carries well and handles chores other bigger SAKs do, without the weight and bulk.

The SAK steel is very good, still being honest I am not a big fan of stainless steels.
These sharpen fine on a Ark or Norton stone, many folks just use small Rapela "V" sharpener.
Red is fine, and the Gray has the coarse and fine.

-Learning to sharpen freehand:
I recommend a Old Hickory paring knife, the small one for about $4 at the hardware store.
1095 Carbon Steel and one can learn a lot about sharpening with this knife.

Carbon Steel and CV are easy to sharpen on AR and Norton stones.

Some stainless ( non carbon steel or cv) are not as receptive to being sharpened on these stones.
Hence other sharpening stones such as Japanese or systems such as sharpmaker are recommended.

My take is learn the correct basic fundamentals with a OH paring knife.
One can get a very very sharp edge with simple stones once the correct basics are learned, and just stropping it.

These skills transition to other metals and other stones.

The Tourist will chime in I hope.

Now he is a Professional Sharpener and his customers use the other steels, he uses Japanese water stones, various pastes and all.

He and I are the same page.

I recently sharpened a Bantam, a Pocket Pal, a Case Sod Jr with CV and a 6" Old Hickory Butcher knife.

[The Tourist is going to cringe and laugh, I just know it]

I used a 4" Norton Crystalon coarse/fine stone.
Best I recall this fine side is about 260, 280 grit? ( dunno)

I do this with a dry stone, no water, no oil, nothing.
Freehand.

Now these knives had been used hard, abused a bit, due to recent storms.
So I had some serious sharpening to do, starting with the coarse side.
I finished with fine side and these were extremely sharp!

I hit a quick lick on the back of a legal pad to strop, nothing on the pad, just the cardboard.
Very sharp!

Normally I don't , still with these needing attention, and all they had been through, I got the Happich Semichrome and applied to the legal pad.

That edge, was polished!
I used magnification to check all along the edge.

Now I stopped at the Fine , about 280 grit, still that edge was sharp, and being polished even more sharp.

Tasks are general purpose, and these knives handle these tasks from cutting rope, cardboard, food prep and whittling.

I will share I can get a more acute angle on Carbon or CV than I can SAK stainless, and other Stainless used by Buck, Case, Spyderco, and others.
My skill sets with how I sharpen and stones I use freehand.

The Tourist can take what I do, and improve on it.
I admit this, and just know he can, and we have never met.

Sharp is for the task, and my take is, some folks do not need the sharp they think they need for their task.

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As Steve says, either will do for you, for most any need you have for an every day pocketknife, and many other knife needs.

I have learned (finally) that I cannot put as acute an angle on my SAKs as I like to do on most of my pocket knives because the steel just won't take it. Starts chipping out in light use. It holds up better if I use just a bit more angle between the spine and the stone. I like my pocket cutlery to be very, very keen, and I go to a fine ceramic hone and then a leather strop. Only true basket cases (edges that need complete reprofiling) get put to the coarse stones. The grinder is only used if the edge has a large chip or the blade bevel needs work. I never use honing oils, just water on water stones, and the carbides and ceramics I use dry. The stones I use dry have to get washed more often, but I like using them that way.

I wish I could get a black Arkansas stone like I used to have. I would probably be able to do without the ceramics then. I don't really have anything in particular against the ceramics, but I grew up using hard and super hard Arkansas stones for finish work, and I miss those old stones. I do and have done a lot of detail whittling, and needed that level of finish on the edge to get the precision in my cuts.

I took out a selection of working-sized pocket knives to slice up a bunch of furniture boxes last year. One was a Vic Tinker (INOX steel, there is actually a grade of stainless tool steel called that, and I think that's what Vic uses -- composition is kind of similar to 420HC), another a Queen D2 Teardrop Jack, then a Case Copperhead in their stainless (probably 420HC or similar), an Imperial electrician's knife in 1095, and a Case Copperlock in their CV steel (probably 1095CV or similar).

All sliced up the cardboard. Went right through it. I didn't ever switch because a knife was getting too dull or tearing or pulling, but because I was bored of that one and wanted to make sure that all got a fair chance to do some dicing. The Vic and the Case stainless needed a bit of edge attention afterwards, but nothing drastic. The rest got stropped and put away. I decided that I had some nice knives, that all were worth having in my pocket, and started rotating them around instead of trying to pick one for permanent duty. Sometimes I carry two or three now. :D

So, like I said, a Case CV or Vic will do what you need doing. Pick what you like, or get both, they're not expensive, and have fun with them. I like having Vics around -- it's nice to have a small, light selection of practical tools in the pocket or on the belt. I actually added up how many SAKs are in my house and vehicles a while back -- kind of embarrassing for somebody that likes carbon steel as much as I do, but there are more SAKs than all the other pocket knives, put together. Everybody has at least one personal one, and then they are in emergency kits, first aid kits in the cars, etc. I usually carry a Vic Executive and a Case something or other every day.
 
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Some notes.

The Case Sodbuster Jr has a slightly larger blade than the SAK, and it's thicker. In general, it will be stronger.

The Case backspring is stronger.

Both knives are available in stainless steel.

The Case is also available in CV (chrome-vanadium) steel, a type of non-stainless carbon steel. This still is harder than most stainless, and will take and hold a better edge.

If you expect to handle a lot of food with this knife, I would suggest stainless.

If you need the toys (opener, tweezers, etc.) then get the SAK.

If you expect to do somewhat more abusive work (cutting boxes and such) then I recommend the Case in CV.

They both carry well.

Since I have quite a variety of knives, including SAK patterns and sodbusters, I can pretty much pick and choose depending on what I believe I'll be doing that day.

Im going to be learning to resharpen with this knife
This actually makes me lean toward the Case. And, for the record, I would buy two of them. (In real life, I did buy two of them.) I have a couple of knives in duplicate. I figured if I ruined one, I'd have the other one to replace it. Well, because I had the backup, I was less "anxious" about using and sharpening the first one, and I didn't make any irreparable "anxiety mistakes" with it. I still have my spares.

If you decide to go with CV steel, then you can do a search in this forum to see whether you want to induce a patina (see [thread=352705]this thread[/thread] for example) on the blade or let it age naturally.
 
Another vote for the Sodbuster Jr. with CV blade.

Picked one up as an all-round knife, as most people get wide-eyed when I use one of my fixed blades for a mundane task.
 
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