Savage 24V firing problems Wa State

[jww]

Greetings: Anyone out there....ever had firing problems with teh Savage 24VF type rifles? I have a 357 Maximum over 20gauge. I made up a box of 100 rounds to take up and fire to see how they settled in, and had 17 dryfires .
Confused, I returned home, got my winchester Mod 94 357 Maximum rifle ( I had it modified/made years ago) and I sent the same 17 previous misfires...sailing away. Definately have a firing problem with the Savage. Any suggestions out there? Any way to strenghten the firing pin tension...maybe beeibg a longer firing pin?

Would appreciate others situations and cures.
I have fired about twenty cases, not loaded with primers and all but one seemed to work well....until I loaded the real deal.
Thanks for any insight to a frustrated me.

 

[rcmodel]

First thing I would try is a real good cleaning.

Pay extra attention to the firing pins.
They may have old dried oil & dirt packed in front of them that is preventing full protrusion. Shoot them with WD-40 or Nitro solvent and keep working them & blowing them out with compressed air until no dirty oil comes out.

Also do the same with the barrel selector and make sure it has full travel both ways.

I'd also take the stock off and give the internals a going over.

May just be old gummy oil & dirt slowing the hammer down.

Also, carefully check the chamber and make sure there is no fouling in the cartridge rim recess or under the extractor cut cushioning the rim / primer impact.

It is odd that you fired 20 primers without a problem but get mis-fires with loaded ammo.
Any chance some of your reloads are not getting the primers fully seated in the cases?

rc

 

[jww]

My reloads are fully seated. Yeah, it is odd the the 20 primers fired. I also took the misfires, back out with my Winchester, and they all fired fine. The gun is 'spotless'...I keep em all pristine cleaned. The firing pin is one I replaced a month ago, as when I got the gun, the old one was bent. As far as I know by all nomenclature, I have the correct firing pin, spring and retaining block in this weapon...just cannot figure out why it is not kickin em out. I think I will look to a relaxed, or weak hammer spring. Cannot think of anything else.
Thanks RC Modeler, for the imput. I am still scratchin my head over this one.

 

[kirbythegunsmith]

Details

Your clue that caught my attention was first:
the reload factor i.e. have you tried and had failures with factory ammo?

I would first inspect for a very slight bulge at the case mouth/crimp adding some tension to shell insertion that keeps the shell from fully seating in the rim cut of the barrel. Some of these break-open guns have rim cuts deeper from overcut during chambering, or may have a slight spring-back associated with the extractor tension spring that lifts the shell. The cut in the extractor should be slightly deeper than the cut in the barrel to preclude such issues.
When the rear plate area of the extractor is held flush with the barrel breech end, is the rim cut above or below the barrel rim cut?
In any event, there is something keeping the rim from being solid against a stop to allow full impact to the primer. Part of the energy is possibly being absorbed by the pressure needed to push the loaded cartridge into full-seat position.
Since you can get full seat with the empty case, but not the loaded case, figure some slight differences in the chamber and shell (maybe bullet seated slightly too far forward for this example since the throat was maybe a bit shallow) that may not be present in the other rifle, or the other rifle has enough force available to overcome such deficiencies.
By the way, if the firing pin retaining screw is tightened too deeply, you may have the firing pin held lopsided in the hole and unconsciously added some side drag to the pin in the hole, presuming the screw is a headless screw. There is no definitive stop location, so you run the screw down until tight, and then back off a small amount to allow free firing pin motion.

Double check bullet engagement, case distortion, extractor clearance, and firing pin interference from the retention system.

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[natman]

I assume that the gun was converted to 357 Maximum. Possible excess headspace problem?

 

[Jim K]

Are the primer strikes centered?

Jim

 

[jww]

Update: First, the gun is a 357max VS factory maunf. Second, a while back, I replaced the fire pin, and the hammer selector. I did fire caps, and all worked well, until the rounds. I have double...tripel and quadtriple checks my loads. All is as designed, and for lack of better wording...'perfect'.
BUT...I did look closer athe pin. the pin area and spring are brand new replaced..and throughly cleaned. What I have found..is the hammer is striking on the bottom edge of the pin. Possibly 'jambing it'. BUT...I then moved the selector back and forth..and found that the selector can actually travel a bit farther than the detent allows for holding...and doing this..the selector in the hammer then directly hits the pin...dead on, with good firing. NOW...I have to figure out how to re-work the selector positioner....and see that it 'sets' at highest possible point...whick does make ignition every time. I bought all parts specific to fit the 24VS savage....and they did fit together fine. NOW....to figure out how to make adjustments to the selector/hammer set-up. This spring loaded detent has me puzzeled. Ideas would be appreciated.

 

[jww]

kirbythegunsmith.....sorry...forgot to answer one of your questions...I did try factory ammo..including standard 357 mag..but all would not fire.
I know this has something to do with the selector/hammer..and did speak with a gunsmith who 'fixed' a previous 457 mag savage I had..but he never stated specifically the problem. I would get ahold of him again, but he passed away last fall. I am gonna have to figure out this selector thing. Again, the Savage is the 24VS 357 Max (came with a handgrip as well) and the 20 gauge goes 'bang' real well. Incidentially..the 20 ga. is a chocked barrell....from savage. First I have seen. JWW

 

[timmlink]

Greetings,

I was also searching for complaints on the Savage 24v. I have one in 30-30 over 20ga. The hammer selecter was replaced. The 30-30 still miss fires. Factory ammo being used. We were sighting it in. The first 2 rounds went off, the 2nd two did not. The primers on the missfires were struck the same as the two rounds that went off. Again, any suggestions on a remedy?

 

[jww]

My 30-30 seems to do well, and I don't want to cannabilize it for a good selector. I think i will ultimately end up calling Savage Firearms, and asking if they can put together a solution.
I have three Savage over/unders.

 

[KenWP]

Have you checked the rod going thru the main spring. On the 24 they bend and then it dosn't fire. Just straighten the rod and it should fire. Everybody told me I needed a new fireing pin and turned out that was the problem. if your good with tools a new stronger rod is pretty simple to make also.