Seattle: Nickels bans guns from city facilities in wake of Folklife shooting

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Nickels bans guns from city facilities in wake of Folklife shooting

By Sharon Pian Chan

Seattle Times staff reporter


Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels today announced a ban on guns at all city facilities, including parks, Seattle Center and community centers.

The announcement comes two weeks after three people were injured in a shooting at the Northwest Folklife festival at Seattle Center.

"The reason for this order is simple," Nickels said at a news conference with Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske. "Our parks, our community centers and our public events are safer without guns."

The executive order, which does not require City Council approval, will apply to anyone with a concealed-weapon permit.

Violators will be considered trespassers and asked to leave city property, but the city does not have authority to impose fines or jail time.

Nickels said the city will start by posting signs in city buildings such as City Hall.

The mayor said he hopes the city will not have to require pat-downs or metal detectors in city buildings, but suggested those measures as a possibility for festival organizers of events such as Bumbershoot at Seattle Center. The new rule would take effect in about a month.

Washington state law pre-empts all criminal laws on firearms.

"I would not be surprised if there is a challenge to our authority on this," Nickels said. He said a recent lawsuit involving the city of Sequim may give him authority to ban concealed weapons on city property.

State Sen. Jeanne Kohl Welles, D-Seattle, and state Rep. Eric Pettigrew, D-Seattle, also spoke at the news conference in support of the mayor.

I'm not sure this is even slightly Legal.:scrutiny:
 
Violators will be considered trespassers and asked to leave city property, but the city does not have authority to impose fines or jail time.

Meaning, concealed means concealed, and nothing has changed.
 
You seem to have missed what this part was implying...

The mayor said he hopes the city will not have to require pat-downs or metal detectors in city buildings, but suggested those measures as a possibility for festival organizers of events such as Bumbershoot at Seattle Center.
 
"The reason for this order is simple," Nickels said at a news conference with Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske. "Our parks, our community centers and our public events are safer without guns."

I guess the police and security guards working in those places shouldn't have them either? :banghead: What an idiot.
 
Another Article

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/366336_guns10.html

Mayor Greg Nickels proposes concealed weapons ban in Seattle parks

By ANGELA GALLOWAY
P-I REPORTER


Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels plans to ban concealed weapons in parks and other city lands.

"We have a moral responsibility to re-examine our policies to make sure that our people are safe," Nickels said during a news conference Monday.

Nickels said had directed city employees to establish a "gun-free at city properties, our parks, our community centers and our community events."

"Under this order, people with concealed weapons will be asked to leave or to hand over their guns," he said. Nickels believes case law gives him authority to establish the prohibition.

Nickels also said his executive order directs city departments to review rules, policies, and procedures regarding weapons on/in city-owned facilities. The plan is to establish a prohibition against concealed guns.

The review is supposed to be completed in 30 days, with the next step likely to be an attempt to tighten rules regarding concealed weapons for people who are not law-enforcement officers.

Nickels' order comes in the wake of a Memorial weekend shooting at the Seattle Center that left three people injured at the Northwest Folklife Festival.

The Snohomish County resident has been charged in King County Superior Court with second-degree assault. Authorities say his gun fired as he tried to remove it from an ankle holster during a fight. A single bullet injured one man's nose, passed through another person's hand and lodged in a woman's leg, authorities said.

The accused gunman in the Folklife Festival shooting, Clinton Grainger, 22, carried a concealed pistol license, despite a history of mental illness that didn't meet the standard for denying his license application.

Dave Workman, senior editor and Western bureau chief for Gun Week magazine, said the incident was an aberration.

"This business at Folklife is the only time I've heard of some guy with a concealed pistol license doing something like that," Workman said. "Usually with these shootings, if you look at them, they're 19 or 20 years old, and they're not even old enough to be licensed to carry a concealed pistol."

Workman said any attempt by a city or county to ban guns outright in public parks - unless it exempted holders of permits to carry concealed weapons - would be illegal under state law, which pre-empts local governments from enacting gun laws that are stricter than state codes.

Those carrying a concealed handgun without a license would already be illegal, he said.

State pre-emption was intended to prevent confusion over having a variety of different gun laws depending on which city or county you were in, Workman said.

Nickels also renewed his call for state legislative action on gun laws. Previously, he has urged closing the so-called gun show loophole.

Two years ago, Nickels and Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske helped lead an unsuccessful campaign to adopt stricter state regulations requiring background checks on private sales at gun shows. The measure died in the Legislature in the face of opposition from gun rights groups.

Last December, Nickels convened a summit on gun violence, bringing together local and federal police agencies with researchers and experts. Some of the presentations focused on the public health costs of gun crimes and the so-called gun show loophole.

Executive orders, such as the one Nickels is expected to issue, typically don't apply to the general public. Rather, they direct the policies and actions of city employees, agencies and properties. For example, the mayor has issued orders requiring Seattle agencies to avoid buying bottled water and to provide job benefits to the same-sex partners of city workers.

In addition, because the orders are directives to city departments, they do not require City Council approval.
 
I'm really starting to dislike this guy from what I've read here on THR.
 
Last December, Nickels convened a summit on gun violence, bringing together local and federal police agencies with researchers and experts. Some of the presentations focused on the public health costs of gun crimes and the so-called gun show loophole.

Lenin would be so proud!
 
He would be making an illeagal law if he tried that in Minn. Cities and municipalities cannot make tighter restrictions that those that are in force at the state level.
 
minnmooney,

Same is true in WA. The state law is what counts. This will be thrown out fairly quickly.
 
The executive order, which does not require City Council approval, will apply to anyone with a concealed-weapon permit.
So ... as long as it's bangers carrying w/o a permit it's ok? :confused:
 
This guy is even dimmer than Cleveland, OH mayor Hizzoner Frankie Jackson...

Filed suit against the state of Ohio to get pre-emption removed from state law, and is still involved in the "Mayors Against Guns" nonsense and has tried to get a new "Assault Weapons Ban" passed in Cleveland.
 
When a mass murder happens in one of his newly founded pro crime anti self defense safe criminal zones he and his comrades in the Peoples Republic of Seattle will of course blame the state for allowing weapons of self defense.

Of course. It's the loony logic. When gun control inevitably fails, the answer is... more gun control.

aka:

MORE FAIL


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Like I said before I only go to Northwest population centers when I have ta, Kinda like drinkin bad bourbon, What next, hmmm I know maybe we should just cut to the chase, and ban independent thought, That would solve all the problems Right?
 
And the people on the west side thinks WE are dumb.
Never did care much for the mentality on the other side of the Cascades. Part of the California river.
 
remember that he has to "keep Seattle safe from guns" as if they have a mind of their own.

Will they make officers and government officials give up their sidearms since "guns are dangerous"?

Why did they even issue a CCP to a mental patient in the first place?

It goes to prove that the background checks are worthless, and only worth checking if you are over the legal age to purchase and a citizen (at least in WA).
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Seattle has no authority to pass stricter laws than current state laws according to our State Preemption code.

The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state...Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.

The wording is pretty clear on RCW 9.41.290 and that would mean that what Nickels has done is essentially pass a feel-good faux-ordinance that has no authority at all.
 
If he wants to do an executive order that goes against state preemption, I say let him pay to defend his action out of his own pockets and not use taxpayer dollars to push his idiot agenda... :fire:
 
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