Self-defense against strangulation

[R127]

The post of the beast! And I set it up! AAAGH!

The action doesn't just come from the neck. I have no way of showing you in text but you get your back and legs into it if you have to, every setup is different. I can assure you that teeth and noses can break though. I try not to post untested information.

Anyway that isn't exactly the point of the exercise. It isn't about pain compliance or rearranging somebody's face. It is about creating enough of a shock to either get the other guy to loosen his grip so you can rip free or out and out let go. Most people will react to violent impacts on their face.

People were talking about times to incapacitation. Well I was once somewhere a bunch of us liked to try out things like that. I was out within a 7 count from a blood choke but that was one that I willingly submitted to just to see what all the fuss was about. I don't think it is reasonable to believe that you would instantly drop from a real unexpected strangulation attack and that certainly wasn't ever my experience. You'll have enough time to react just react with explosive violence and break away no matter what you choose to do.

 

[sacp81170a]

You gotta watch out for Zatoichi, he'll get'ya!

 

[auschip]

The action doesn't just come from the neck. I have no way of showing you in text but you get your back and legs into it if you have to, every setup is different. I can assure you that teeth and noses can break though. I try not to post untested information.

Anyway that isn't exactly the point of the exercise. It isn't about pain compliance or rearranging somebody's face. It is about creating enough of a shock to either get the other guy to loosen his grip so you can rip free or out and out let go. Most people will react to violent impacts on their face.

I think I get what you mean, kinda hunching your shoulders forward bending the legs, then rearing back with neck, back, & legs? I could see the benefit of that, at the very least making enough space to fight. My point, was more aimed at someone simply throwing the head back. Sometimes I think people underestimate the force needed to do damage.

I have had people (who don't train in anything) believe one punch in the nose and it will break, or a kick in the yarbles is a fight stopper. They suck, but a determined individual can and often will stay in the fight.

Edited to add - Zatoichi? The Blind swordsman guy? I'm lost.

 

[easyg]

Grapplers expect the headbutt, and they train to avoid the headbutt.

But nobody trains to avoid getting stabbed in the head while they're choking someone!

 

[Alex45ACP]

It's nice to say what you would do in this situation, but unless you have trained in this, if it really happens and the guy knows what he's doing, you won't have time. You have literally 3-5 seconds to defend a properly executed blood choke before you pass out. You need to train this over and over so that as soon as you're in a choke, you are instantly defending.

Otherwise, in a real situation, you will either panic and it will be too late, or will actually make the choke worse by trying to pull out of it instead of using the proper defense (tucking your chin, turning into the choke, stacking your opponent, applying shoulder pressure, etc). If you don't believe me, go to a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school and ask somewhere there to put you in a guillotine or rear naked choke. If you try to pull out of a guillotine choke (which is what you will probably do if you've never been choked before) you will only make the choke tighter. If you try to headbutt someone who has you in a rear naked choke, you're only giving them more space to make the choke tighter. The defenses to some chokes are counter-intuitive.

I doubt you're going to be attacked on the street by someone who actually knows how to execute a proper choke, most people who actually train in martial arts aren't that type of person, but if you're really worried about it, you need to go somewhere like a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school and get training. You can't learn this stuff over the internet, reading a post online about how to escape a choke isn't going to help you if it actually happens.

 

[Rachen]

I studied Martial Arts for many years.
A strangulation from behind is very, very difficult to fight against, especially if the assailant is using a chain, cord, wire, etc....... and is locked on and determined to kill you. An attack from behind is what we have to pay attention to the most.
Situational Awareness is probably the most important thing we can ever employ in this kind of situation. Otherwise, physical means are very limited. You could try elbowing the assailant but it is likely he would have his own elbows in his front, preventing you from elbowing him, you can try to find where his legs are, try to trip him and make him fall backwards, but you would have limited visibility, and even if you succeed in tripping him, he will fall backwards and the kinetic energy of such a fall, when you have a chain wrapped around your neck, will likely break your neck in the process.

This requires a multi-step strategy of awareness. Keep posting and sharing insights, this is very interesting and hardly ever mentioned in other fighting art forums.

Also, a gun is not going to be of much use in such a situation. You probably will need a knife.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I recall a movie where folks in danger from a strangler who used
a garrotte kept one hand raised against their chin as a defense
from being garotted from behind. Is that a valid defense from a
garrotte or was that just the movies?

 

[sacp81170a]

folks in danger from a strangler who used a garrotte kept one hand raised against their chin as a defense from being garotted from behind. Is that a valid defense from a garrotte or was that just the movies?

Just the movies. Without giving any more info on technique, when properly applying a garotte there is a real likelihood of decapitation. I won't say any more than that, but a hand on the chin is as likely to be completely cut through as your neck. Of course, if it happened that way in the movies there would be no dramatic struggle for the hero as he fought off the villain. Imagine, attacking someone from behind like that...

(If you're ever in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)

This requires a multi-step strategy of awareness. Keep posting and sharing insights, this is very interesting and hardly ever mentioned in other fighting art forums.

Also, a gun is not going to be of much use in such a situation. You probably will need a knife.

Hmm, I'm gonna have to do some experimentation with a blue gun here... A S&W 642 seems like just the tool for the situation. Ultra reliable at contact distances...