Roadwild17
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I’m looking for 12 gauge semi-auto to be my primary HD gun. I’m particularly looking for something that holds at least 7 rounds (+1 if loaded) and have a barrel of 18”-20”, anyone have any suggestions?
Thanx,
Gavin
Thanx,
Gavin
Semi-auto 12 gauge for HD
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loandr.
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Saiga all the way..
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DHart
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Top choice in my book is the FN SLP (Self-loading Police). FN owns and builds FN's, Winchesters, & Brownings - they use the SX2 action in the FN SLP.
For me, this is the hottest defense shotgun going... based on the widely praised Winchester Super X2 action, short 13" LOP stock, short 18" barrel, threaded for invector chokes and supplied with two, tough, parkerized finish, top rail, ghost ring sight, 7-shell capacity... there is a heck of a lot to love about this shotgun. They are reliable and QUICK. You can potentially (if you wanted to) empty the fully loaded shotgun into a perpetrator before the first empty shell hits the ground. Awesome firepower. This is the fastest shotgun in the world... the Super X2 action has been clocked at 5 shots in 1/2 second (.51 second) with full power, Federal 00 Buckshot! They are a little spendy, but to me, worth every penny.
Here's some info on it:
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_selfloading.htm
My second choice, although a much bigger and less "wieldy" gun in close quarters, is the Winchester SX2 Practical, which comes with a 22" barrel and 9-round capacity.
Here's an excerpt from 3-gunner Patrick E. Kelly on the WInchester SX2:
"Winchester Super X2
Unbeknownst to many, Browning and Winchester are owned by the same holding company (FN). As a result, the two firms are sharing a lot of information with each other and with FN.
Winchester's Super X2 is essentially the same gun as the Browning Gold, only with a different set of features. The Winchester does not have the speed-loading feature of the Browning, otherwise the price point would be substantially higher.
What the Winchester does offer is a ready-to-rock "Practical" configuration! Somebody at Winchester must be a 3 gunner, as this gun is built with us in mind. Sporting a 22" barrel for good handling (complete with Invector chokes) and a factory-installed magazine extension bringing capacity to 8 and 1, this gun is good to go. Standard features also include a synthetic stock and cantilever scope mount. Not leaving the Limited division gunners out, Winchester has fitted an excellent set of rifle sights. The rear one folds down and is dovetailed to the scope mount. The front sight is dovetailed into a nice-looking serrated ramp and has the very popular fiber optic tube or "light pipe" nestled inside. The only thing I would add is a side saddle, and again, 3gungear.com can handle that for you.
I got a chance to spend a little time (very little) with the Winchester Super X2 and found what may pull me away from my beloved Auto 5. After a few speed drills on three pepper poppers, I was already well pleased with this self-loader's performance. Using 00 Buck loads (does this thing smooth out recoil or what?) I ran a three-popper course with each popper a yard apart and 12 yards down range. From the port arms position I was able to "draw" and knock down all three in just under one second. Considering a reaction and first engagement time of .68, split times between the next two poppers were 12 and 13 hundredths respectively. This is as fast as my Auto 5! At this speed, the Benelli's hammer follows the bolt! (The Benelli can't run quite as fast as the SX2).
Idaho state police officer David Neth was kind enough to let me perform this test with his personal Winchester SX2 Practical. He also demonstrated this shotgun's true capability by pulling off some 11 hundredths splits along with a handful of 12's. To top that, he beat my personal record for the fastest five shots. This is a little thing I have been doing since the speed bug hit me. With the timer running you let loose of five rounds as fast as you can, counting the first shot as zero and totaling the remaining four split intervals. My best to date has been 56 hundredths. David amazed the small gathering at a 3 gun match in Winchester, Idaho by firing those five shots in 51 hundredths! The splits were three .13's and one .12. This gun is full auto fast! By the way, this was with Federal 00 buck. No, not the low recoil stuff, this was Federal MAX 2 3/4 Classic.
So there you have it, a quick overview of a short list of practical self-loading shotguns. All will do the job nicely. Some may fit your needs better than others. Each has its high points and all have their problems. As much as I thought I would not draw any conclusions for you I would like to leave you with this;
My quest for speed grew out of a desire for reliability. While speed is not everything, you can have that and a reliable shotgun to boot. No matter what gun you use, our game will uncover its weaknesses and shine its attributes. So get out there and see how fast you can go. Go 3 gunning!"
From: http://www.multigun.com/speedsg.html
For me, this is the hottest defense shotgun going... based on the widely praised Winchester Super X2 action, short 13" LOP stock, short 18" barrel, threaded for invector chokes and supplied with two, tough, parkerized finish, top rail, ghost ring sight, 7-shell capacity... there is a heck of a lot to love about this shotgun. They are reliable and QUICK. You can potentially (if you wanted to) empty the fully loaded shotgun into a perpetrator before the first empty shell hits the ground. Awesome firepower. This is the fastest shotgun in the world... the Super X2 action has been clocked at 5 shots in 1/2 second (.51 second) with full power, Federal 00 Buckshot! They are a little spendy, but to me, worth every penny.
Here's some info on it:
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_selfloading.htm
My second choice, although a much bigger and less "wieldy" gun in close quarters, is the Winchester SX2 Practical, which comes with a 22" barrel and 9-round capacity.
Here's an excerpt from 3-gunner Patrick E. Kelly on the WInchester SX2:
"Winchester Super X2
Unbeknownst to many, Browning and Winchester are owned by the same holding company (FN). As a result, the two firms are sharing a lot of information with each other and with FN.
Winchester's Super X2 is essentially the same gun as the Browning Gold, only with a different set of features. The Winchester does not have the speed-loading feature of the Browning, otherwise the price point would be substantially higher.
What the Winchester does offer is a ready-to-rock "Practical" configuration! Somebody at Winchester must be a 3 gunner, as this gun is built with us in mind. Sporting a 22" barrel for good handling (complete with Invector chokes) and a factory-installed magazine extension bringing capacity to 8 and 1, this gun is good to go. Standard features also include a synthetic stock and cantilever scope mount. Not leaving the Limited division gunners out, Winchester has fitted an excellent set of rifle sights. The rear one folds down and is dovetailed to the scope mount. The front sight is dovetailed into a nice-looking serrated ramp and has the very popular fiber optic tube or "light pipe" nestled inside. The only thing I would add is a side saddle, and again, 3gungear.com can handle that for you.
I got a chance to spend a little time (very little) with the Winchester Super X2 and found what may pull me away from my beloved Auto 5. After a few speed drills on three pepper poppers, I was already well pleased with this self-loader's performance. Using 00 Buck loads (does this thing smooth out recoil or what?) I ran a three-popper course with each popper a yard apart and 12 yards down range. From the port arms position I was able to "draw" and knock down all three in just under one second. Considering a reaction and first engagement time of .68, split times between the next two poppers were 12 and 13 hundredths respectively. This is as fast as my Auto 5! At this speed, the Benelli's hammer follows the bolt! (The Benelli can't run quite as fast as the SX2).
Idaho state police officer David Neth was kind enough to let me perform this test with his personal Winchester SX2 Practical. He also demonstrated this shotgun's true capability by pulling off some 11 hundredths splits along with a handful of 12's. To top that, he beat my personal record for the fastest five shots. This is a little thing I have been doing since the speed bug hit me. With the timer running you let loose of five rounds as fast as you can, counting the first shot as zero and totaling the remaining four split intervals. My best to date has been 56 hundredths. David amazed the small gathering at a 3 gun match in Winchester, Idaho by firing those five shots in 51 hundredths! The splits were three .13's and one .12. This gun is full auto fast! By the way, this was with Federal 00 buck. No, not the low recoil stuff, this was Federal MAX 2 3/4 Classic.
So there you have it, a quick overview of a short list of practical self-loading shotguns. All will do the job nicely. Some may fit your needs better than others. Each has its high points and all have their problems. As much as I thought I would not draw any conclusions for you I would like to leave you with this;
My quest for speed grew out of a desire for reliability. While speed is not everything, you can have that and a reliable shotgun to boot. No matter what gun you use, our game will uncover its weaknesses and shine its attributes. So get out there and see how fast you can go. Go 3 gunning!"
From: http://www.multigun.com/speedsg.html
Pietro Beretta
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I was always told a 20g is better for Home Defence, the main reason being was so you didnt go deaf when/if you had to use it.
(Still, I use a 12g with 1 Slug in the Pipe, magazine filled with #4 BuckShot Reduced Recoil Loads)
(Still, I use a 12g with 1 Slug in the Pipe, magazine filled with #4 BuckShot Reduced Recoil Loads)
Slugo
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Ithaca 37 Defender, all the way... 
Cryogaijin
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I'd love an ithaca if I could find one, but since I'm on the wrong side of the Mississippi for one. . . converted s12?
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