Servisios and Adventuras Primer Observations.

Keep seeing people having problem with foreign primers due to the fact they are slightly larger. They MUST be forced hard into the pocket and your problems will diminish. Even as a a person said earlier in this thread that pushing them until there's a bit of a dent imbedded into the primer. The Ginex primers had the same complaints. I've gone through nearly a case with only a couple that needed another hammer strike. Switching back to Federal primers was eye opening as they slide in so easily in comparison.
 
warnerwh said:
Keep seeing people having problem with foreign primers due to the fact they are slightly larger. They MUST be forced hard into the pocket and your problems will diminish. Even as a a person said earlier in this thread that pushing them until there's a bit of a dent imbedded into the primer. The Ginex primers had the same complaints. I've gone through nearly a case with only a couple that needed another hammer strike. Switching back to Federal primers was eye opening as they slide in so easily in comparison.
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I've discovered that my Lyman hand primer works better at seating primers than my Lee press mounted primer. It takes a lot less hand pressure than the press which is surprising given the mechanical advantage of the lever,
 
Interesting responses to the Servicio/Aventuras small pistol primer threads. One camp states ALL of the naysayers just aren’t fully seating them. The S/A primers work just fine. While the other side claims the S/A primers are JUNK, anyone who uses them is an idiot. I am cheap, and have had very positive results with them in quality double action revolvers and okay for plinking in hammer fired semiautomatic pistols. Striker fired semi autos (glocks in my experience) they make for good practice of misfire or malfunction drills. So, for $50 per brick shipped, I will still buy them and use them and try to make sure they are fully seated in clean uniform primer pockets, but I won’t carry defensive ammo loaded with them.
 
Saw those primers at Graff I believe. Normally I would buy a few hundred of something different to try out like I did with S&B. They sell them buy the 5000. Might move on to handgun projects and save back the few thousand LRP's left.
 
rperyam said:
I see they are now coming in gray and white boxes. Mine are in green and yellow boxes. I wonder if that makes a difference?
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I noticed that too. Mine are green & white like yours. Edit: i noticed OP's primer are in different packaging. Mine appear to be 2015 mfg. The primer dent looks deep in OPs picture unlike light strikes I've had because of light springs. I bought mine in 2022 when primers were scarce & expensive. I wonder if OPs primer are newer and different in some way.
 
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2ndtimer said:
Interesting responses to the Servicio/Aventuras small pistol primer threads. One camp states ALL of the naysayers just aren’t fully seating them. The S/A primers work just fine. While the other side claims the S/A primers are JUNK, anyone who uses them is an idiot. I am cheap, and have had very positive results with them in quality double action revolvers and okay for plinking in hammer fired semiautomatic pistols. Striker fired semi autos (glocks in my experience) they make for good practice of misfire or malfunction drills. So, for $50 per brick shipped, I will still buy them and use them and try to make sure they are fully seated in clean uniform primer pockets, but I won’t carry defensive ammo loaded with them.
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Which is interesting. I know of 4 boutique ammo makers, one of them very well known, who made very heavy use of SA primers when that was all they could get. They sent literally hundreds of thousands of rounds of defense and high end straight wall hunting rounds out the door with zero complaints. Trust me, if somebody pays 60 bucks for 20 rounds of specialty ammo...They go berserk if one doesn't go bang. So whether they know it or not...plenty of folks are carrying it as defense ammo, lol.
 
EricBu said:
Which is interesting. I know of 4 boutique ammo makers, one of them very well known, who made very heavy use of SA primers when that was all they could get. They sent literally hundreds of thousands of rounds of defense and high end straight wall hunting rounds out the door with zero complaints. Trust me, if somebody pays 60 bucks for 20 rounds of specialty ammo...They go berserk if one doesn't go bang. So whether they know it or not...plenty of folks are carrying it as defense ammo, lol.
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C'mon...slip us some names we won't tell anyone.
 
I shot fifty SA primed 38spl in a S&W Model 65 today and had two FTF for the first time. Shot 60 identical load data except using Winn SPP and all fired. When inspecting the primer dent on the FTF rounds it was very noticeably shallower than the other five. I believe the two were not fully seated as others have said. They both went off the second strike, leaving a deep dent in the primer. I'll lean on them more next time I prime with the Servicios. It seems the Servicios mystery has been solved.
 
Ok, after a nice range session today, I got I believe the answer to my dilemma. I did switch out my 12# spring (MCarbo trigger kit.) to the 14# spring. Made 22 rounds using the SA primers and had only one fail to fire. In my opinion the SA primers work best with factory trigger springs. I am not putting in the heavy factory spring as it's too heavy for my taste. I'll keep it at 14 and still use the SA primers for range use and load development.
 
BRatigan said:
Ok, after a nice range session today, I got I believe the answer to my dilemma. I did switch out my 12# spring (MCarbo trigger kit.) to the 14# spring. Made 22 rounds using the SA primers and had only one fail to fire. In my opinion the SA primers work best with factory trigger springs. I am not putting in the heavy factory spring as it's too heavy for my taste. I'll keep it at 14 and still use the SA primers for range use and load development.
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Apparently those SA primers need more energy to pop than some others. I was googling to see what weight the D-spring is, and came upon this post in another forum. Some good discussion early on about 92 hammer springs. You aren't the only one with that problem apparently.

Beretta 92 Hammer spring weight for reliable ignition?

I am considering buying the 92 Elite LTT intended for personal defense, perhaps Centurion, possibly full size. In my 92A1 I run the 16# D spring and have never had a light primer strike even with Winchester 124 grain NATO ammo. I was running a WC 14# CS (chrome silicon) hammer spring but with...
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I too installed one of the MCarbo kits with the 12# spring. Mine has been 100% reliable so far, but with WW and CCI primers. I have some Fiocchi's to try out and will be paying close attention to those.
 
Laphroaig said:
Apparently those SA primers need more energy to pop than some others. I was googling to see what weight the D-spring is, and came upon this post in another forum. Some good discussion early on about 92 hammer springs. You aren't the only one with that problem apparently.

Beretta 92 Hammer spring weight for reliable ignition?

I am considering buying the 92 Elite LTT intended for personal defense, perhaps Centurion, possibly full size. In my 92A1 I run the 16# D spring and have never had a light primer strike even with Winchester 124 grain NATO ammo. I was running a WC 14# CS (chrome silicon) hammer spring but with...
pistol-forum.com

I too installed one of the MCarbo kits with the 12# spring. Mine has been 100% reliable so far, but with WW and CCI primers. I have some Fiocchi's to try out and will be paying close attention to those.
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Hmmm… I have been using Fiocchi for a while and they do “seem” to work better in my revolvers and semi’s with longer, more rounded firing pins and heavy hammers. I always just figured it was because they were tailored for the Euro milspec. Never had a problem with them in the 92’s or any of the P35’s - not even in the clones.
I have some recent production Fiocchi SPP I can try out.
 
BRatigan said:
I purchased 2K of Servisios and Adventuras primer made in Argentina several months ago. Price was about what everyone is paying. I have been using the primers exclusively to work up loads and also to test them for reliability. I have had mixed success with them. I usually get 5 out of twenty that will not fire without multiple hammer strikes or rotating the cartridge in the chamber and then having them work. Background, these are being tested in a Beretta M9A4 with an MCarbo trigger kit installed. Various projectiles both clad and lead are being used and mixed brass for testing. The primers seat easily with my Franklin Arsenal perfect primer seater. It has a great adjustable seater aspect that requires a thumbturn wheel be turn 1 click up or down to get .001 difference. I have used the full extent of the adjustability to the point that the primer ram is making a small circle on the primer when I have gone too far. I usually seat just below flush. I didn't feel that made much difference. Maybe its just my combination of parts and pieces that are creating this condition. Winchester and CCI primers just work every time. The SA primers are just not consistent but the saving grace for me is that while I won't use them for when it counts, I will continue to use them for the advantages of training for sight picture follow through and double action practice with the Beretta. My double action technique has improved significantly. So, there is a silver lining after all. Maybe my experience will help someone else.
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I’m about to join you on this journey. Put my order in today. We shall see. 😁
 
drband said:
$49.99 per 1000 at normausa.com

They ship quickly. Free shipping with $150 order.

Recommended. Just put primers in the search bar.
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I got them from Powder Valley. $63 plus $12 shipping and free HazMat. Probably works out within the price of a drive thru cheeseburger either way.

Ever notice how it used to be you had to pay extra for cheese but now you can’t hardly find a burger without cheese - and if you don’t want cheese you still have to pay for it. :scrutiny:
 
Barmcd said:
I've discovered that my Lyman hand primer works better at seating primers than my Lee press mounted primer. It takes a lot less hand pressure than the press which is surprising given the mechanical advantage of the lever,
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That's exactly the opposite of what I expected. I was wondering if the bigger press mounted cups provided better support and put them deeper....
 
I just shot another 50 today. All went bang.
In my Glock 17...which is nice considering I just reduced the striker spring from the factory weight of 5.5lbs down to a 5lbs spring.
My overall sample size is small, as I have only fired a total of 150, but 100% so far.
 
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