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OK, since when does Natchez only ship has mat shipments through Fed X?

Fed X, the shipper that won't leave your has mat stuff without a signature no mater what.
The shipper that won't hold your has mat stuff for pickup no matter what.

Thanks Natchez
 
They pretty much spell it out:
Hazardous Materials (HAZMAT) Shipping

We do accept orders for hazardous materials, but you can only ship up to 50 lbs per box of hazardous materials (powder, primers, fuses) combined. A hazmat fee of $28.50 applies to all hazardous materials shipping. If you order contains more than 50 lbs of hazardous materials, an additional $28.50 FedEx hazard charge will be added to your order per every additional 50 lbs of hazardous material.

0-50 lbs carries a $28.50 hazmat fee

51-100 lbs carries an additional $28.50 hazmat fee

101-150 lbs carries yet another additional $28.50 hazmat fee

And so forth.

Ammunition and Primers carry a hazmat fee of $40.00 when shipping via expedited service levels, other than standard ground.
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At least as far as the use of FedEx verse UPS goes anyway. I have no clue what your location is with respect to the Fed Ex hub but I have picked up at my local hub before. When you placed the order or shortly after didn't you get the tracking information? That would have had the Adult Signature Required information. Your best bet is to take it up with Natchez.

On another note. My neighbor has been having plenty of signature required stuff delivered. He leaves a big note on his door telling them to deliver across the street. My wife or I sign for his stuff as we are generally home and he gives us a heads up based on his tracking info.

Finally you can try and ask Natchez to remove the signature required. I can see their point as in many areas at this time of the year packages left on door steps have a habit or walking away.

Ron
 
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The hazmat fees are the same whether Fedex or UPS; the sig requirements are the same - guess I don't get your rant. I have had stuff come via both with zero issues.
 
The signature requirement is specified by shipper. In your case Natchez.

The shipper decides which carrier they want for service. Often FedEx or UPS will offer discounts to shippers based on volume. If Natchez gets a better deal from FedEx than UPS of course they will choose FedEx each and every time.

It's business and the shipper will pocket any savings the carriers offer.

Natchez is paying for heavier wall boxes, special packing, special labels and annual training for every employee that helps with the Hazmat shipment. This training has to be documented each and every year. If DOT comes in for an audit and there is a violation found, the carrier or shipper will pay dearly, DOT (US Department of Transportation) likes to set examples with very heavy fines.

Natchez does not pay any fee to DOT for carrying hazardous material. There is no law that states carriers must charge Hazmat fees. Some very large freight carriers require it and some do not. Notice that the FedEx or UPS truck that delivers your hazardous material does not have placards.

The Post Office will carry some "dangerous goods" depending on whether or not there is an exemption. They too have a few exemptions that circumvent some hazmat shipments. You can read about these exemptions in a document called "The Domestic Mail Manual" published by USPS. Dangerous goods is referred to as "Mailables" in the DMM. Frankly it's a dull read.

Are Hazmat fees legit? Yes.

Are they justified? Probably.

Do we have a choice? No. We must either live with it or find ways to avoid it by shopping the Local Gun Store (the LGS marks up his prices to cover Hazmat, assuming he is charged for it, again Hazmat fees are determined by the shipper).
 
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Good post David, and I would hazard to guess that most lgs don't pay Hazmat fees, mainly just individual and maybe the smallest shops. They are legit, Any fee is pretty much legit, handling is a big generic and where one shop charges for it, others just hide it in the cost
 
Reloadron, I have picked up hazmat stuff at the Fed X hub before as well. According to Fed, they will not hold for pickup because it's a hazmat.

Oneounceload, The fees are the same, however ups has always left the package for me.

David, they have not required me to use Fed X before now. And Fed X has never refused to hold for pickup before.



Please understand me, If you are home all day or have some other way to get packages this is not a problem. So its no big deal. Order away.

However, If you are like me and have to work all day, give it some thought before you order.
 
wish i could even order from them...they have some kind of deal where they can't ship to alabama and a couple of other states...
 
Elkins45 said:
Can you leave a signature waiver on the door?
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Years ago, with UPS I had luck doing that. I would leave a note which included the numbers (that 1Z number) requesting the package(s) be left on porch and place my signature on it. They would take my notes and leave the stuff. I haven't a clue if that would work today or with FedEx.

This entire thing is a PITA. Shippers run nervous as packages grow legs and walk away. Customers are not about to pay for goods they never got. Then we take the average guy who works when stuff is delivered. It just becomes a mess. Before we retired we would have stuff shipped to my wife's work which involved setting up the credit cards so orders billed to our cards could be shipped to the wife's work address. Worked as someone was always there for taking delivery. Most people don't have that option unfortunately. If there is a simple solution I haven't a clue what it is. I would enquire about a signature waiver on the door.

Ron
 
Find out who your UPS or FedEx driver is and get his/her cell number. Call them and arrange a place to meet and pick up the package, or arrange for it to be left with someone who can sign for it. Get to know your driver, and give them a nice tip at Christmas and a present. I do this every year and I can get just about anything left anywhere by my drivers.

The old saying is true: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
 
A couple months back I received a haz-mat delivery from Powder Valley (over $200 worth of goods, so it was insured), met the UPS guy at the driveway. Asked if he needed a signature. He said, "Nope". Scanned and left.

Fed-ex always wants a signature for powder/primers and ammo.

This has been my experience anyhow. :)
 
The shipper decides weather a signature is required or not. It's not a FedEx or UPS decision.

In the OP's case the shipper is Natchez.

I've filled out hundreds of FedEx shipping forms. When you "create a label" you define exactly how that package is going to be handled. As far as the "Signature Required Box" is concerned you can pick None, Responsible Adult, or Addressee".

Most of the supply houses that ship hazmat will pick "Addressee" just so they can prove the package went to the right person. It's a CYA thing.

In this case FedEx is only doing what their customer has asked for (Natchez).
 
FYI

There not a maximum weight limit. The 50 lbs Natchez quoted you as a limit is something that is their own policy. I have received and shipped Hazmat shipments that far exceeded 60 or 70 lbs. These packages were delivered by FedEx.

I sent 410 pounds of Hazardous material via FedEx about two months ago. In these cases its FedEx Freight that is the carrier. The truck showed up with a lift gate to load the drum. He drove up, I gave him the Shippers Manifest, he loaded the drum tied it down and off he went.


Its all about the size box or container you use. The HazMat boxes are usually double walled and pre printed with DOT information. The boxes are very expensive, compared to usual shipping boxes.
 
david bachelder said:
The shipper decides weather a signature is required or not. It's not a FedEx or UPS decision.

In the OP's case the shipper is Natchez.

I've filled out hundreds of FedEx shipping forms. When you "create a label" you define exactly how that package is going to be handled. As far as the "Signature Required Box" is concerned you can pick None, Responsible Adult, or Addressee".

Most of the supply houses that ship hazmat will pick "Addressee" just so they can prove the package went to the right person. It's a CYA thing.

In this case FedEx is only doing what their customer has asked for (Natchez).
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UPS/FedEx Surcharge of $28.50 Per Package on Hazardous Materials. Powder and Primers are Hazardous. FedEx requires a signature on all hazardous material packages. UPS may require a signature when delivering your package. Please make sure someone will be available to sign for your package when delivered. See NOTE above to help save money! Bullets, brass and other non-incendiaries do not come under HAZMAT


This is from Powder Valley's site.
 
First, Hazmat is a cashcow tax invented by someone in the shipping business with the aid of some politico. I do not believe there is a single recorded incident of a powder or primer ignition at the hands of a shipper under normal conditions, forever. Not discounting extremely violent crashes or primary fires. Thats my opinion on that matter-just anothert Gov supported rip off.
Now in my area of the country Fedex as a corporation could not find their cheeks with both hands, but they would lie about the results and have done so at their convenience. The supposed 3 attempts to deliver is only a third world promise. After that you get to drive 50 miles one way to their depot---even thjough their is a depot only 15 miles away."BECAUSE" only this depot can handle hazmats, that one cant." I will admit to being a slow learner, but since this is the second occurrence of this type in one week, I think it will be cold in hell before I willing use ti services again. Oh let me add calling teir 800 number will get you some person in perhaps India with a rudimentary command of conversational English. The agents at the local numbers just contradict one another.
 
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Like everything else in life: it all depends on who's doing it! Some drivers do ask for signatures, even though I have a FedEx account and signature on file, some don't...

Just cuz there's a rule doesn't mean every single person will follow it.
 
rogn said:
First, Hazmat is a cashcow tax invented by someone in the shipping business with the aid of some politico. I do not believe there is a single recorded incident of a powder or primer ignition at the hands of a shipper under normal conditions, forever.
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Have you ever wondered why that is?
 
It is simply that smokeless powder is a flamable solid that is really difficult to ignite, almost impossible by percussion, and it is packaged and has been packaged in containers that are reasonably resistant to ignition. Primers have been packaged forever in a manner that has been resistant to percusion ignition as well. Improvements have been made over time, mostly though use of polymers. Federal has taken steps that probably render even their sensitive primers resistant to a drop from aircraft. The inclusion since 1980 something of additional paperwork and supposed "education and packaging standards" really havent done much to prove the negative. So I guess that's why.
 
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