Shooting outside of Robert Blake case.. (merged thread)

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Kaylee,

The mans sister told reporters that the shooter had been fleeced by the lawyer, and that the attorney had told him he was going to go after him again for complaining to the bar.

You can complain if you like, but I can't help being amused when somebody gets even with a lawyer, even if they resort to illegal means. The profession of law revolves around twisting the truth to suit their client or to fill their own pockets, or both. Occassionally, they'll be on the right side, but that is usually by accident. None of them choose to only take cases where they feel the client is in the right.
And of course there is no legal recourse when you are victimized by lawyers. You can complain to the bar run by other lawyers, or go to court, run by even more lawyers. None of them are going to side with anyone who wants to stop the wholesale theft and corruption of their profession.

So, sometimes somebody gets made enough to shoot one, and it makes me chuckle... Sorry if that offends you!

Keith
 
TBO,
I'm going to leave this tread open as long as we restrict our conversation to the tactics (or lack of them) involved in this gunfight. If everyone wants to talk about how great it is to shoot lawyers, or any of the other things going on in the other threads, I'll close it.

Jeff
 
Keith.....

You can complain if you like, but I can't help being amused when somebody gets even with a lawyer, even if they resort to illegal means.
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So, trying to murder a lawyer is ok with you? You don't even know what was going on with that case. Your comment makes me :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
Looked like the lawyer had some blood coming out his nose while he was lying on the ground. Must have taken one in the chest somewhere?

Looked like .38 to me, from the recoil and blast. I don't believe most .38 rounds expand from snubbies, so the ammo type doesn't really matter.

What can you say? I thought he did good to duck behind the tree so nibbly. I hope makes a full recovery.

I just wish he had read Gabe Suarez's latest book, and beaten the crap out of the shooter after he ran out of bullets.

Zippy
 
I figured I would not be first to post this....sorry I didn't see the others. The thing about the four foot thing truly was that the lawyer was able to effectly use the only cover available so well. I was impressed. It also made me realize how hard it might be to defend your self from an attacker! I do understand some of the limits of handguns(I've shot/hunted 45 of my 53 yrs) its just the video of the event was such a graphic display of poor technique(from the shooter) and great survival effort (from the victim/lawyer) . When you consider we are all potiental victims it screams DON"T LAY DOWN! Stay in the fight and survive.! A lesson I hope I can keep close to the surface if ever in a survive or die situation.Kind of hard to train for.
Mark.
 
As Rex Applegate wrote in his book KILL OR GET KILLED, police files are filled with situations where both cop and BG missed at very close range with an incredible # of shots.
And still it continues.
Consider that the avj NYPD gun fight happens within 7 feet, yet they only avj a 9-20% hit rate ( depending on the source)
Applegate believed that WW2 type point shooting training along with realistic ranges would improve this trend.
 
So, trying to murder a lawyer is ok with you?
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No, not really. If we had a decent justice system most lawyers would be behind bars instead of running around on the street where their victims might shoot them.

Keith
 
I'm not sure that the immediate action drill for reacting to a near ambush wouldn't have been a better option. The victim made good use of cover and things apparently turned out allright, but what if you charged into the ambush with your best attack?

The victim certainly took some hits by running for cover, it's possible he would have disoriented his attacker with an immediate counter attack. Then again, he may have taken a fatal hit.

What's the consensus, dance around the tree or counter attack? Personally I would have counter attacked.

Jeff
 
I recorded this clip off the news to show it to my future CCW classes.

It shows quite a few things that CCW students could learn from.

1) The speed with which the situation happened. Suddenly the lawyer found one of his clients shooting at him. There is no "dramatic slow motion shot" in real life. Bad things happen instantaneously

2) Take some sort of action. The lawyer could have just stood still in shock and surprise and died. Instead, he effectively used a tree as a self-defense device. He did not quit, he did not give up, he acted and he lived.

3) Under stress, even "contact distance" shooting can result in misses.

4) Handguns are relatively puny weapons. The lawyer is shot at least once, maybe more, and shows no obvious outward signs of having been hit. He's able to walk away under his own power.

5) In a real bad situation, you can never, ever depend on the help of others. Only you can protect you.


Okay, what other lessons can be taken from this clp?

hillbilly
 
I was thinking the same thing while watching the video.
It looked to me that he had no time to counteratttack without taking a fatal hit.
Mainly because the tree was in his way.
Then again, he did survive.
I'd be interrsted in learning if he had any self defense/firearms training.
 
can't add much hillbilly...

hillbilly,
I was thinking along the same lines, great idea for your CCW class.

You touched on, and to give our CR Sam credit "you never know the when or where of next encounter".

Keep moving, use cover,and know the difference b/t cover and concealment.

Situational awareness ( couldn't tell what prededed incident).

Watch hands ( which I can't tell before hand, but perhaps this may have given him an edge to seek cover), coupled with SA.
 
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Good use of cover.
 
Jeff White hit upon something.
Human response is flight or fight, this guy chose flight and used good cover.He didn't quit, he keep moving while using cover. This also reminds me of the rule of three's : 3feet,3secs, 3 shots, its over. Granted more shots and perhaps more time, the point being to NOT forget close/contact situations.
Yep, I'll admit sitting in my chair I would have given strong considerations to going inside and counter attacking...focus on that gun. I have been fortunate to have done so in real life, and it worked, perhaps the reason I feel this way...each situation is different, still another tool in the toolbox.
Nope not gonna crticize, I wasn't there. The lawyer did what he did and survived, I hope he continues to and things not go south for him.
I learned from this incident, tho' I wish it hadn't happened.
 
To me this illustrates the need for more than 6 rounds in a handgun. You'd be amazed how hard it is to hit a moving target, and how quickly ammunition runs out. Even if you're not spraying.

And the victim was 100% functional (at least for a while) despite taking multiple hits. Had he been armed he could've killed his attacker.
 
That lawyer did the best he could by dodging behind that tree, it saved him. I haven't heard yet what caliber was used. Of course the shooter didn't know what he was doing.
 
To all the people that stood around with their mouths gaped open and eyes bugged out, to the people that stood there and took still pictures,to the people that stood there and shot video:Hang your heads in shame. I don't want any of you around me anytime, anywhere. One of the camerapersons(I'm not going to say man) that was present and had waited until someone had tackled the shooter before he jumped on the shooter was on T.V.. The host was calling him a hero,I call B.S. on that statement.
 
I guess I have a different take on the whole damn thing. I talked to my nephew and he said "Cool, I saw the whole thing. It was neat the way he (the lawyer) kept ducking and weaving. Did you see the hole in his head? That was cool." My nephew is 12. I'm fed up with the cavalier way the "If it bleeds it leads" news shoves violence down the throats of our youth, so I wrote to every local station and the FCC. This is the letter I wrote to the FCC.


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In the early afternoon of Friday October 31 '03, tragically, one human being tried to take the life of another outside a Los Angeles Courthouse. The real tragedy was the fact that the incident was caught on tape. Within moments, the local stations, especially CBS, NBC, and ABC, were televising the attempted murder over and over during the early afternoon and throughout the evening. It's easy to say, "The parents should control their kids and what they watch" but the fact is children watch television. What is the difference in watching attempted murder, murder, or suicide on the afternoon news and watching a snuff movie? The answer is, snuff movies are illegal. Is it the FCC's opinion that children are not important enough to hold television to some sort of standards of decency. Children's psyches are continually damaged by the incessant acts of sex and violence aired on the TV day in and day out. Must we now expose them to real violence in the guise of news.



Richard McWold
 
I rarely post on this forum and the comments that are made here are the reasons why. SO WHAT IF HE WAS A LAWYER THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT HE SHOULD BE SHOT. I dont particularly care for lawyers either in most instances but some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You do know that some of these scumbag lawyers actually go to court to defend RKBA didnt you? I think that this whole situation is just another example how people (mostly the ones that say "I woulda done this") are the same ones who stand there in total shock and do nothing. These so called journalists and cameramen who are called heros should be the ones taken behind the woodshed for not doing anything, all this lawyer did as far as you all know is his damn job. No one knows what kind of person he was, but we all know what kind of people the bystanders were now dont we. The High Road my F:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: ng A:cuss: :cuss: s.
 
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