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Locked elbows and not that aggressive of a stance and you are rocking back with every shot.
 
waktasz said:
Locked elbows and not that aggressive of a stance and you are rocking back with every shot.
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Interesting observations. I think part of that is camera angle but it is something I will consider at the range. This is aggressive for me but could do more I suppose. At some point it isnt comfortable. Thanks for the input.
 
So I take and post video like this to improve, I know Im not a competition level shooter. I am happy with how ive improved but i want to keep improving. Thanks for any constructive input.
 
Your grip looks ok (gun is not flipping all over the place) but your whole body is rocking back and forth. That probably mostly has to do with foot placement. I wish your camera angle was a little lower.

I also keep my elbows at slightly less than full extension, using them like shock absorbers rather than keeping them straight and having all of the recoil travel back to my body. This is also easier on the joints long term.
 
"...moving my head due to..." Usually to see if the target fell. Some archers do the same thing. No fat old Canadians need mentioning. snicker. Trick is to concentrate on the front sight and follow through on the shot.
"...not that aggressive of a stance..." Means relax more.
"...not a competition level shooter..." Go anyway. Shooting 'em is great fun and nobody cares how well you do, but you.
 
breakingcontact said:
Im trying to figure out if I am moving my head due to the recoil or trying to follow the sights and see them faster. Input?
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You're not moving your head at all...the gun's recoil is battering you on each shot.

This has very little to do with stance (foot placement) and everything to do with arm geometry and tension.

Your locked and over extended (inward) elbows are transmitting the recoil to your shoulders and rocking your whole upper body backwards on each shot. Ducking your head into the "Tactical Turtle" only makes it worst.

Relaxing you elbows outward a bit and relaxing your head/neck/shoulders will help with accuracy and split times
 
I'm no expert, but I think 9mmepiphany is absolutely right about this. Shooting USPSA, I see lots of people shoot in all kinds of weird body positions when shooting while moving, leaning around corners, etc. The good ones can stand on one foot and shoot fast, and their heads don't bounce around like that.

You don't have to lean in to a 9mm like you're walking into a hurricane to not have it batter you. Nor do you have to have all your bones aligned in a completely rigid manner to manage recoil.
 
Hmmm getting conflicting advice from different folks (on multiple forums).

Not saying it isnt productive because it has me thinking about what i am doing. Will start at the feet and move up!
 
I would start at the top and work down. After further review 9mmepiphany is exactly right.
 
You're not moving your head at all...the gun's recoil is battering you on each shot.

This has very little to do with stance (foot placement) and everything to do with arm geometry and tension.

Your locked and over extended (inward) elbows are transmitting the recoil to your shoulders and rocking your whole upper body backwards on each shot. Ducking your head into the "Tactical Turtle" only makes it worst.

Relaxing you elbows outward a bit and relaxing your head/neck/shoulders will help with accuracy and split times
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+1 I think this is spot on. It might be the camera angle but you need to square more towards the target.
 
short barrel said:
Looks to me like you are doing pretty good. What works for some does not work for others.
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Im fine with my speed and accuracy at this range. Im controlling the gun fine but knew something was a bit off after watching the video. However to wrench out a little more accuracy while maintaining speed I need to tighten things up. Got some good advice on here and will work on my stance.

It is really invaluable to be able to watch what you are doing and have others check it out.
 
Im fine with my speed and accuracy at this range.
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I had meant to ask, but you didn't really solicit input on it.

You said you were shooting at about 20 yards.

What speed are you shooting (shots per second) and what accuracy do you normally maintain (6", 8" 12", more)?

If you aren't shooting very quickly and you acceptable accuracy is fairly large, the longer recovery from being bounced around doesn't really make much difference
 
9mmepiphany said:
I had meant to ask, but you didn't really solicit input on it.

You said you were shooting at about 20 yards.

What speed are you shooting (shots per second) and what accuracy do you normally maintain (6", 8" 12", more)?

If you aren't shooting very quickly and you acceptable accuracy is fairly large, the longer recovery from being bounced around doesn't really make much difference
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This was a 12x20" target. I was shooting around 0.35 splits. This was my friends gun. Clip was a random one he sent me from 2 hours of video. So this isnt my best shooting ever. Just posted to see peoples comments and try to improve my form. I also shot from 40 yards around 1-1.5 seconds per shot and hit 8/10 (If I mentioned that previously forgive me).

I shoot my M&P a little more accurately. Im hoping to get an 8" plate at some point.

Considering I hardly ever shoot past 7-10 yards I am very happy with my performance and look to improve a bit more with the comments made here. I plan on trying to shoot an IDPA match in March. See how I do. According to my friend who is much better than me, I should be in the upper 1/3rd. I usually dont shoot that well in matches. It seems like I have a hard time focusing. But that is for another thread.

I have been focusing so much of speed, accuracy and grip/trigger squeeze that I never really have developed a proper stance, which arguably should have come first. Anyways thanks for all the input.
 
Trigger management is the most important.

Grip is important in that it doesn't add non-productive forces to your alignment and trigger press...stance (how you stand) is the least important factor in shooting accurately.

Speed isn't about pulling the trigger faster...which often leads to jerking the trigger...but perceiving your aligned sights, on target, faster and shortening the delay between that perception and pressing the trigger. You can only shoot accurately as fast as you can see your sights on target
 
Get some bend in your arms. Let them act as a shock absorber.

You can only shoot as fast as the sights will let you. Let them be your gas pedal.

Go to a Steel Match and see what others are doing. You will get better shooting around better shooters.
 
You might learn more from watching videos of the top shooters who are doing something similar.
There should be plenty of them on youtube.
You might reduce the head bobbing by allowing for the sights to drop back down on the target, rather than tracking them up and down.
Bent and somewhat flexible knees can help, too.
 
Good advice here, but would still be nice to see what's going on from your waist down. Stance can make a difference if you are rocking from heels to the balls of your feet.
 
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