short barreled .410 legalities.

[ghost228]

Leinad 11" double barrel

Anyone have any experience with these? i read they have no extractor and the barrel selector (no double trigger) is a pain to change.

My question is the legality. Does .410 not fall under the SBS category as it can shoot .45 colt as well? Taking into consideration the Taurus Judge etc.

i saw them for sale at gunbroker and did not see that it required the $200 tax stamp as other gauges do.

In other words, can i buy a better quality .410 double barrel sxs, one with an extractor and double trigger and cut it down to a sub 12" barrel and shorten the stock?

Now as to why I want to....cause it's a double barrel sawed off shotty.

it would be purely for kicks (pun about recoil intended) and who knows maybe a nice gun for the brush/bayou or as a back up to my 870.

 

[rcmodel]

Unless it has rifled barrels, it requires a tax stamp. That is true regardless of caliber. Even a .22 RF smoothbore shotgun.

The picture seems to show some sort of muzzle attachments. Perhaps rifled choke tubes permanently attached?

rc

 

[PTK]

They're currently made by Cobray for all of $150. They are indeed rifled.

 

[BhmBill]

They do have rifled barrels

I have the one of the Leinad derringers, same thing as the cobray.

 

[spiroxlii]

The Cobray/Leinad (same company) 45/410 break-action guns are kinda awful. They come in single and double barrels. They come in various lengths. They're all basically the same gun with minor variations. Since the barrels are rifled, they are legal (not a short barreled shotgun). The short models (like oversized derringers) aren't very accurate with .45LC, and the very short barrel with no choke and rifling makes for awful patterns with .410 bore shotshells. I haven't tried it with .410 buckshot or slugs, but I wouldn't expect better results.

The longer barrel on the model you are talking about might make for better shooting with .45LC, but the rifling and lack of choke will still make .410 patterns pretty awful and possibly ring-shaped, due to the rifling. I haven't had ring-shaped patterns with my short model, but then again... I haven't really had "patterns" at all. The shot spreads out so fast that you can't really call it a "pattern" beyond six feet. I don't know how much of the barrel on the 11'' model is rifled.

These guns have no ejectors. They don't even have extractors. Depending on what cartridge you're firing, spent cases can be removed by gravity, your fingernails, another empty cartridge, or a ram-rod made out of a dowel. It's really a crap-shoot. I've had empties fall right out, and I've had others stick so hard that I had to put the gun in a clamp and use a mallet and dowel to remove the spent cartridge from the chamber.

In case anybody just thinks this is user error from a guy who sucks at shooting short-barreled weapons, my daily carry is a S&W 637 (snub-nose .38spl), and I do all right with it! The barrels on the Cobray/Leinad derringer are at least as long as that, but hitting your target with this weapon depends heavily on prayer.

 

[rcmodel]

Sounds about like what I expected!

Sounds like another real class act from the folks who brought us the Cobray!

rc