Should the CMP start selling only 1 Garand per year?

[The Grand Inquisitor]

After going to a gun show last weekend where every lard-o dealer hard three dozen CMP Garand's for $800, 7 or 8 tanker Garand's, an M1C or so and a nicely cleaned and polished (and poorly faked InterOradance Mosin Nagant 91 30 Sniper (for only $1300 to boot!) I was thinking perhaps the CMP should start selling only one or two Garand's per person per year. To be perfectly honest, the only people who are getting anything out of the 7 or 8 rule are the dealers who are abusing it to buy 50 or 60 of them a year to sell at gun shows and drive up the prices of service grade Garands.

Isn't there some speculation that CMP will run out of Service grades within the next few years at the going rate?

 

[eclancy]

The Garand Inquisitor,
Many, many, moons ago back in the DCM days you could only buy 1 M1 Garand in your life time. Since CMP updated to 8 per year the dealers are using guys to buy more and for their trouble they the Dealers give them one free from the ones that the guy bought using their money. It a shame.
Sorry about your name change it just looks great.
Thanks again
Clancy

 

[30Cal]

They're trying to pool enough money to fund the matches forever. While selling rifles 1 at a time would ensure that the majority of the rifles go to qualified shooters, it would stretch the rifle sales program out by a long long time. This would cost the CMP a lot more money.

 

[jefnvk]

Plus, with politics the way they are, would you rather dump your inventory in the next few years and make the money, or risk losing the program the next time a Dem got into office?

My solution is:
First two rifles are charged at list price
Next two at 25% markup
Next two at 50% markup
Next two at 100% markup

 

[eclancy]

Hi all,
Me again. Under the old DCM it was funded by Congress and there was no problem. M1 Garands back then were 99 bucks and lower before that. OK, Ted Kennedy tried to stop all sales of anything from DCM. He wanted the rifles cut. I know because I ran DCM Shoots. He lost NRA jumped in and got that stopped. However, Congress did pass part of the bill. They cut all funding to the DCM and the program had to fund itself or go under. They then became the CMP and prices started to go up. All this was going on in the mid 70's. I hope this helps.
Clancy

 

[El Tejon]

You mean are getting around inane governmental market restrictions? For shame!

Eliminate all DCM restrictions, highest bidder wins. Change the "once an emgee, always an emgee" rule of ATFE and sell off M14s and M16s converted to Title I.

 

[hillbilly]

I don't see what the problem is.

1) It gets more Garands out of warehouses into circulation. How is that a bad thing?

2) So what if dealers are charging $800 for them? Anyone stupid enough to buy a Garand at that price just puts money into a gun dealer's pocket. The gun market is just like the car market or any other market...Caveat Emptor.

And with information so easily found on the Internet, in magazines, even on Tom Gresham's Gun Talk, I don't have much sympathy for any "suckers" who get taken by high prices.

I see no problems for current CMP sales procedures.

I think folks are just concerned what they consider their very own "honey hole" will run dry.

Well, there are only a finite number of Garands in the world, and in the CMP program, so it will "run dry" some day.

But the more Garands that get out of the warehouse and into circulation, the more the market will become over-saturated, and the prices will adjust accordingly.

hillbilly

 

[Elkslayer]

When I got my Garand from the CMP (then it was the DCM) there was a piece of paper in the documentation that said I could not re-sell the rifle.

Is that no longer in effect?

 

[vis35]

Save The M1's!!!

While selling rifles 1 at a time would ensure that the majority of the rifles go to qualified shooters, it would stretch the rifle sales program out by a long long time.

I will politely beg to differ.

Getting those rifles out of the hands of the government and into private ownership is the best to way to ensure that they will be available to future generations of Americans.

I am happy with the current makeup of Congress and the attitude of the President, but I am enough of a realist to know that our political system is a pendulum, it swings both ways and someday we will again have a liberal President and Congress, when that happens those rifles remaining will be torched.
Jeff

 

[jefnvk]

Eliminate all DCM restrictions, highest bidder wins. Change the "once an emgee, always an emgee" rule of ATFE and sell off M14s and M16s converted to Title I.

Heck, I'd be happy if they opened up the registry for MG's, and sold them as full auto for about $1000 apiece. Heck, some M14's gotta be hitting the 50 year mark, so they'd be good to go under the C&R restrictions in MI too.

When I got my Garand from the CMP (then it was the DCM) there was a piece of paper in the documentation that said I could not re-sell the rifle.

That is still on there. The rifle is for personal use only, not for resale. CMP simply can't spend the money to go after violaters.

1) It gets more Garands out of warehouses into circulation. How is that a bad thing?

2) So what if dealers are charging $800 for them? Anyone stupid enough to buy a Garand at that price just puts money into a gun dealer's pocket. The gun market is just like the car market or any other market...Caveat Emptor.

The problem is, that the rifles that are being sold off for $800 are not the $800 correct grades, they are the $295 rack grades. Dealers are turning a $500 profit per rifle. The people 'stupid enough' to pay that for a rifle do not know that the gov't sells these off for a fraction of what the dealers are charging for them.

Plus, they signed the paper that said the rifle was strictly for personal use, and not intended for resale.

it swings both ways and someday we will again have a liberal President and Congress, when that happens those rifles remaining will be torched.

While I don't think that it necessairialy WILL happen, it certainly MAY happen. Getting them out is good, but not in this way.

 

[cracked butt]

Of all of the $800 m1s you see at gun shows for sale, how many do you actually see that sell?

The last show I was at, a guy had about 10 Danish m1s for sale, all way over priced, and this was about a year after CMP sold out of Danish rifles.

 

[petrel800]

I personally think the best way to deal with this problem is to report the abusers to the CMP. The abusers should then be banned from any future CMP buys. If any individual is found to be buying the Garands for a dealer then keeping one for himself, he to should lose his priviledge to buy and participate in any CMP function.

It ticks me off to see blatent abuses of the system. I've told quite a few dealers at gun shows that they are running up the price of history, and I sure as heck will tell anyone looking at their garands that they too are eligible for CMP orders if they take the time to figure it out.

CMP - Civilian Marksmenship Program, key word civilian. Nowhere in that title do I see M1 wholesalers.

Any dealer who does this does not deserve your money, but does deserve your scorn!