Ugly Sauce
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I should have mentioned, trying to sleep under some bush, and having to pee every half hour doesn't help either. No matter how many woobies you have.
I had a 600 in .350 and the recoil and muzzle blast were pretty bad. I sold it to Wild West Guns in Anchorage decades ago.Yeah, Cooper was a bit late to the 'Scout' rifle party, ... by at least a decade and a half.
Here's a vintage '60s ad showing the 'Scout' set-up in action on a Model 600. Supposedly the Fud in the picture is Remington's Director of Marketing, back when Gun Industry execs actually shot and hunted with the firearms their companies were selling.
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Two Ruger GSR’s; one in .308, one in 5.56. Both with Leupold VX-2 2-7x33 and XS SIGHTS ghost ring sights. The stock sights are better, but these aren’t bad. Slings are from Magpul.
Absolutely. But that's kinda the point ain't it? It's only heavy relative to your ability to carry and manipulate it. I think for the vast majority of us, not being in a true "scout" situation, hitting what we're shooting at outweighs the weight in the list of compromises that are Cooper's Scout. He certainly seemed to try to justify his theory with evidence derived from the game fields. But almost anything he presented could have been accomplished with less effort with a rifle intended for the purpose it was deployed.I also think that is a fitness check for many. Considering how light a 10 pound dumbbell is, compared to other dumbbells, and that most sporter rifles are lighter than a 10 pound dumbbell.
https://xssights.com/ghost-ring-apertures/
Use the scroll down selection to get to 7/32-40 threaded aperture or 7/32-40 threaded long stem (depending on what you need), if you're interested. If not, no biggie.
Here's a question for you scout rifle afficionados:
The ACOG comes in magnification levels other than 4x. 1.5x, 2x, 3x, 3.5x, etc.
https://www.trijicon.com/products/subcategory/trijicon-acog-riflescopes
Does one of these light, clear, versatile, durable scopes have any place on a scout rifle?
Height not altogether a bad thing and there are ways to overcome this, even on a bolt gun. You could most likely add this type of cheek riser to allow clearance for bolt to travel under the riser.Late to think about this. My only issue with those ACOGs is that they have a optical centerline height for AR rifles and other rifles with similar optic set ups. Which means they aren't about to work with the stock on a traditionally styled rifle without a very tall cheek riser attached. And if it's a bolt gun, that cheek riser could interfere with opening the bolt.
Late to think about this. My only issue with those ACOGs is that they have a optical centerline height for AR rifles and other rifles with similar optic set ups.
Here’s that same FR8 after I removed all that ugly lacquer that someone had slathered on it.Love the Zastava butt-mag!
I think the FR8 counts as a "scout" rifle- and its just one of the handiest all-round carbines Ive ever shot. The rear rotary sight is particularly neat!
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Photo credit to GunnyUsmc- I still dont have a good picture of mine, lol.
We modified my M600 in .350 RM with a Kick-Ezz recoil pad, then replaced the plastic parts (vented rib, floorplates) with aluminum and correctly floated the barrel in the stock. While my gunsmith was at it, he smoothed out the trigger.I had a 600 in .350 and the recoil and muzzle blast were pretty bad. I sold it to Wild West Guns in Anchorage decades ago.
I had put on a Williams aperture sight on my 600 as well and cranked all the way down it was still hitting way high which would have made a taller front sight necessary. The factory recoil pad wasn't bad, but it was way too powerful for meWe modified my M600 in .350 RM with a Kick-Ezz recoil pad, then replaced the plastic parts (vented rib, floorplates) with aluminum and correctly floated the barrel in the stock. While my gunsmith was at it, he smoothed out the trigger.
I already had the correct Williams rear aperture sight for the M600/660, but the 'shark fin' front sight which sits on the vented rib was too tall. Shots were hitting way low @ 50-yds. So we calculated the amount of reduction needed to correct the front sight and my gunsmith cut and re shaped it. Now it's dead-on @ 50- and 100-yds with the 200grn .350 RM ammo.
Very accurate little magnum carbine that weighs in at 6.2lbs. The .350 RM cartridge itself can easily be down-loaded (hand-loaded) to 'deer hunting' velocities.
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These carbines are amazing. Back in the day I was saving my money to buy a deer rifle and a friend of my Dad's got me a Remington magazine with all their guns and ammo. I spent months goving back and forth between the 700 and the 600 and finally ordered the 700 in .243. I had a gunsmith install a Lyman 48 receiver sight and a taller front sight with an ivory bead. I had to sell it to a friend after a divorce thing, but at least I got to use it for a few years.I have a Remington 600 Carbine in .35 Remington with a 1-4 Leupold in Talley QDs mounts that makes the original weight limit and indeed is my go to deer or pig medicine where I know shots will be under 200 yards. The scope is quickly removed and factory sights are close enough for deer hunting.
The Remmy M600 and M660s were factory d&t-ed on the rear left side for either a Redfield or Lyman aperture sight. Later Willams offered its model of aperture sight to fit the factory receiver holes.I had put on a Williams aperture sight on my 600 as well and cranked all the way down it was still hitting way high which would have made a taller front sight necessary. The factory recoil pad wasn't bad, but it was way too powerful for me
Here’s that same FR8 after I removed all that ugly lacquer that someone had slathered on it.View attachment 1036938
I like the FR8, as a Scout type rifle, so much that I bought a second one.
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I also like my Mexican Mauser carbine.
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The No.5 Jungle Carbine makes a nice Scout rifle also.
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The Turks made carbines from French MLE-M-16 rifles. They are called Forestry Carbines because, they were issued to Turkish Forestry Agents. View attachment 1036934
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After buying a used Left Hand Gunsite Scout 308 off Gunbroker and absolutely hating the sloppiness of the bolt, I had Savage build me a Left Hand Scout Rifle 308. I believe a bolt action rifle should be able to be easily cycled from the shoulder. That was impossible to do with the Ruger.
My GSR was like that, too. The bolt is still sloppy, but some mild smoothing of the receiver innards where the bolt rides, firing live rounds, and cycling snap caps from the magazine have improved it greatly. I still like to cycle and "fire" snap caps in it when bored at the house, all from the shoulder.
Typicall when you install a receiver sight you must use a taller front sight. Looking back (50 years or so) I must have gotten it backwards and needed a lower front sight. I was afraid to scope it as Redfield scopes tended to go south pretty quick on me a lot of others. The Redfields were so bad that the lgs owner and myself had their address memorized.The Remmy M600 and M660s were factory d&t-ed on the rear left side for either a Redfield or Lyman aperture sight. Later Willams offered its model of aperture sight to fit the factory receiver holes.
Whichever sight you used, the stock had to be trimmed a bit for the sight to mate up against the receiver properly, like so:
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The problem with the 18.5" M600 is that the tall shark fin front sight was set up to hit POA (with factory .350 Rem Mag ammo) using the factory open sight that was also mounted on the rib - not an aftermarket receiver sight.
Why Remmy didn't offer a modified front sight calibrated in height to work with a rear aperture sight is beyond me, since they had to know that many customers and iron-sight hunters of that era preferred aperture sights over open sights if they didn't use a scope.
With such a tall shark fin sight mounted on the rib, it's hard to fathom how shots would hit 'high' with factory .350RM ammo using an aperture mounted on the factory receiver holes.
Typically with a tall front sight and rear peep sight, the bullet impact will strike low. So the front sight would have to be shortened in order to raise POI.
Typicall when you install a receiver sight you must use a taller front sight. Looking back (50 years or so) I must have gotten it backwards and needed a lower front sight. I was afraid to scope it as Redfield scopes tended to go south pretty quick on me a lot of others. The Redfields were so bad that the lgs owner and myself had their address memorized.