SIG Sauer P225, it's back!

[mgmorden]

I've still got a P6 and its already too wide for a single-stack. The mere mention of a wider frame removes any interest in this for me.

 

[Robbins290]

I will stick to me 239.

 

[HammsBeer]

I eagerly awaited the release of a new P225, but after seeing pics and realizing things like grip panels and mags are not interchangeable with old 225's, I think I'll pass. The 225 is a great handling pistol from the 70's and I take one to the range almost every time, but it's outclassed by newer pistol designs for serious defensive work (weight, grip thickness, capacity). I'll just stick with my collection of P6's including a '98 in mint condition.

 

[JR47]

Sorry boys, but beauty is in in the eye of the beholder. Sigs have always been boxy, and utilitarian. They work, though. No matter how offended one might be, it won't alter the truth.

 

[Janos Dracwlya]

I'm a huge fan of the original P225, and one of my regular carry guns is a 225 (I just got a really nice holster from Andrews Custom Leather for it). This thing with the 228 trigger guard just looks wrong to me.

 

[Plan2Live]

Hammsbeer said:

The 225 is a great handling pistol from the 70's and I take one to the range almost every time, but it's outclassed by newer pistol designs for serious defensive work (weight, grip thickness, capacity).

Please enlighten me. Aside from the Sig 239, HK 2000sk or the HK 30sk what are the lighter, thinner, higher capacity options for a serious defensive pistol in a DA/SA platform that compete against the P225?

 

[HammsBeer]

I don't limit myself to DA/SA only. DAO and striker fired are all in my collection.

A P228 or P2022 are the same overall size just a tad thicker in the grip and have twice the capacity. A Glock 19 is the same grip thickness but actually shorter in height with twice the capacity. A Glock 26 is much smaller than a 225 and still has more capacity. I love the classic 225, but even the 239 outclassed it for ccw. Beretta 92 Compact M would be another option.

There is a reason they used a modified 239 mag in the new 225. The old 225 mags have a habit of the feed lips spreading, causing the rounds to nosedive into the locking block. Out of 17 mags I've got 4 with spread feed lips, and mags are the weak link in any auto pistol. I wanted to make the 225 my primary carry, and for a while I did, but in the end I couldn't justify it when a G19 has twice the ammo for the size, or the 239 carries the same in a smaller package.

The P225 is a great pistol for it's day, and if that's the only gun a person has then it will serve them well. But if I was buying a new pistol there are better options out there today regarding weight vs capacity vs size.

 

[Plan2Live]

A Glock 19 is the same grip thickness but actually shorter in height with twice the capacity. A Glock 26 is much smaller than a 225 and still has more capacity.

I think it is a reasonable conclusion to presume that people who carry hammer fired DA/SA or DAO pistols are aware of striker fired options and consciously choose to not carry striker fired pistols. I may post a poll to confirm my hypothesis but from talking to other shooters on the line, other instructors and reading numerous posts here and other places over the years I believe most people who regularly carry DA/SA or DAO hammer fired pistols don't regularly rotate between those and striker fired options. Some might but the majority don't.

Once you get past owners who just prefer metal frames and hammers, I think you will find people gravitate to DA/SA or DAO hammer fired because they consider that action type to be safer than striker fired. That added element of safety comes at the expense of size, weight and capacity. Since this is a thread about a hammer fired DA/SA pistol striker fired comparisons are probably irrelevant.

 

[golden]

It does not look like my 225

The grip looks different, less rounded than my gun. The grip is what sets the 225 apart for me. It is close to a perfect fit for my hand. If the new 225 does not match the standard set by the original one, I will pass.

I am not happy about reports that you need a different magazine. I have to ask, "SIG, ARE KIDDING ME?"

Jim

 

[HammsBeer]

The original 225 grip is almost an exact copy of the old Walther P38 grip dimensions, and that was also regarded as a very comfortable grip. The new 225 appears to have much less hump in the back and the sides are flattened.

And after spending over $3000 on extra mags for a dozen different guns, I'm not interested in buying even more proprietary mags for what is essentially an identical pistol to what I have now. But it's cool they brought it back, in a retro/new Dodge Challenger sort of way.

 

[CNobbe]

Waiting for the double stack version.

Wish the real 228 was still available to the general public.. I had a chance at a new one about a year ago from an overstock of them, but the five my local shop got in were gone before I could see one.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I am not happy about reports that you need a different magazine. I have to ask, "SIG, ARE KIDDING ME?"

It's got a large plastic baseplate which fits flush that honestly looks like they could have made it a 9 round magazine easily.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

I already have a 239 that gets carried daily. I don't see what this offers that a 239 doesn't.

And it used the same mags? and barrel?

Sounds like its a 239 with a different set of grips?

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I already have a 239 that gets carried daily. I don't see what this offers that a 239 doesn't.

And it used the same mags? and barrel?

Sounds like its a 239 with a different set of grips?

You can use a P225A magazine in a P239 but not the other way around. The P225A uses the same magazine but with a longer floor plate. My opinion is that I prefer the P225A over the P239 for grip feel and looks.

 

[muzzleblast...]

I dunno what it is... But, I know what it ain't. And it ain't no P225. I have a P220 45ACP, a P226 .357 SIG and a P239 40 S&W. I have been wanting a P225 and have been awaiting the appearance of the "new" P225. Even though the original P225 is a bit large for a single stack 9mm CCW piece, the feel of the grip and natural "pointability" makes it desireable to me. The altered grip of this offering makes it a no go for me.

 

[mgmorden]

The original 225 grip is almost an exact copy of the old Walther P38 grip dimensions, and that was also regarded as a very comfortable grip. The new 225 appears to have much less hump in the back and the sides are flattened.

The old 225 Grip is as wide as some double stacks though. Heck my Hi Power with Hogue grips or my SW99 are both THINNER than my SIG P6 while being double-stack.

From a reliability standpoint, there's nothing wrong with the P225. I actually did my qualification for my CCW class with one (well, the P6 mentioned above). It's not a bad gun - reliable, accurate enough, etc. There's also no reason that you necessarily NEED more capacity than it has, but I just don't see the point in carrying a gun that size when I COULD carry something with twice the rounds that is the same size and just as reliable.

If I'm going to limit myself to a single stack, I'd go with something like a Kahr or Ruger LC9 first.

 

[Woolecox]

Here is a review from someone who actually has one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VrEzoNzJuYM