Good grief X-Rap and Gus McCrae...did you both not read the entire thread. You both seem to want to brag about your self proclaimed prowess with firearms. Safety card? Hell yes...no matter how important either of you think you are it is all about safety. The genesis of this discussion is about safety. Only fools fire unless they know and can see thier targets. Do either of you really wish to argue that? I am ex-military. I am ex-LEO. I would advise anyone reading this thread to totally dismiss X-Rap and Gus McCrae because neither of them seem to have ever been the real thing. Shooting at anything without being able to identify your target is not only foolish it can lead to a criminal conviction. That this internet forum would allow such foolishness is amazing to me. I am a ex-LEO. My wife is still a practicing Federal agent. Never, ever, shoot at anything without first seeing your target. Do NOT listen to idiots who tell you it is okay to fire a weapon without seeing your target.