SKS -- worth it?

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Originally posted by: Cee Zee
...if that gang has decided to set up 100 yards from your house and riddle it with bullets.
GOOD POINT!
That happens to me ALL the time!

But why would an SKS be better than any other high powered rifle in that situation?

If we assume that this gang of "house riddlers" has even the most basic level of tactical knowledge (and most of the gangs that attack my house seem to), they're going to get behind cover before they start their "riddling".

In a situation like that, you're going to need either superior penetration to shoot through the cover, or superior accuracy, to shoot the little bits of gang member that are exposed.

Most high power rifles over .22 caliber are going to have more power, and with proper projectiles, better penetration than the 7.62x39 fired by an SKS.

As far as accuracy goes, the AK is probably the only high powered rifle made that's generally less accurate on average than an SKS (assuming that we leave anything made by Century International Arms out of this :) ).

So why do you consider an SKS as particularly suitable for home defense?
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For anyone considering the purchase of an SKS, I'll say that they're a lot of fun to shoot, but don't buy one thinking that it's going to be the "best" for any particular application.

They're a lot of fun (I've got two :D) and usable for anything from hunting to home defense, but for any particular task, rest assured that there's going to be another weapon better suited to it.
 
Good points of your own, but the OP has directed this via the SKS, which has many favorable characteristics (i.e., low cost, accuracy- ergo "not the best", etc., et al), however with limitations.
 
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So why do you consider an SKS as particularly suitable for home defense?

And where did you read that I said the are the "best" at anything? In fact in another thread I've been making the exact opposite point but you go ahead and assume all the stuff you can dream up.

Just so you know. An SKS will stop a human. That makes it a workable HD weapon. That's all I said and your cheesy attacks on my "extreme" examples of why a person might need a battle carbine (which btw covers those .22 caliber weapons too). Most people would understand my example was given as an extreme example but, well, you're not most people.

But go ahead and show where I said the SKS was better than a .22 based rifle and I'll show you where I said exactly the opposite. That sounds fair to me. Just for kicks I'll go ahead and post my part:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=9822748&postcount=30

You'll find that I said, "20 years ago when an SKS was $100 and an AR was $1000 the SKS made perfect sense. Now with a solid AR available for under $550 there's no way I would choose an SKS over an AR for almost any purpose."

That proves it. I think the SKS is the best. :rolleyes:
 
If you have cosmolene inside the bolt, just wrap it with tin foil and place it over your bbq grill for 20 mins. Makes sure temp is really hot about 500 degree F. Remove from grill and you can see melted cosmolene oozing out of the firing pin channel. Let it cool and wipe dry. Test for FP for freefloat by shaking the bolt. Easy...
 
The SKS is a fantastic rifle. I have owned a number of them. I like them for hunting and S.D.! The prices being asked for them today are crazy. This is one of my favorite rifles. Easy to use, combat accurate. These can be good buys. Take some time to look around and find a nice one and you will not regret it.
 
If you have cosmolene inside the bolt, just wrap it with tin foil and place it over your bbq grill for 20 mins. Makes sure temp is really hot about 500 degree F. Remove from grill and you can see melted cosmolene oozing out of the firing pin channel. Let it cool and wipe dry. Test for FP for freefloat by shaking the bolt. Easy...
I don't know if I would substitute this for a proper disassemble and cleaning. I didn't do the BBQ but I boiled mine in water for upwards of 15 minutes then cleaned and oiled. Still had a very thin layer of cosmolene on the inside of the bolt channel in mine that prevented it from fully "rattling" when I shook it. Full break down and some Q-Tips with naptha cleaned it right out though
 
I take the easy road when cleaning out the cosmoline from a fresh from storage SKS. I let my gun smith do it. He has a tank set up for just that purpose. For $20 I can drop it off and come back the next day and have a fully cleaned rifle. It's not worth the time and hassle that goes into cleaning one out really well to do it yourself when you can get it done for $20. Heck that's a single box of 9mm ammo these days. Maybe it's more than bargain basement 9mm but it's not cheaper than the really good stuff. At any rate $20 is a drop in the hat compared to what I'll end up spending to shoot. I'll shoot that much ammo the first day for almost any gun I buy.
 
Originally posted by: nathan
If you have cosmolene inside the bolt, just wrap it with tin foil and place it over your bbq grill for 20 mins. Makes sure temp is really hot about 500 degree F. Remove from grill and you can see melted cosmolene oozing out of the firing pin channel. Let it cool and wipe dry. Test for FP for freefloat by shaking the bolt. Easy...
I'm no metallurgical expert, but that sounds like a really bad idea to me.

I don't know if 500 degrees would be enough to negatively affect the temper of an SKS bolt, but I do know that some steels are annealed at temperatures well under 500° Fahrenheit, so why take any chances?
Barbeque grills aren't near as precise and controllable as annealing ovens, what you think is 500 degrees might be considerably hotter and could lead to a catastrophic bolt failure with your face just inches away from 45,000 pounds per square inch of pressure.

Totally aside from the possible tempering issues, greases, soaps and related petrochemical products usually turn to carbon if heated too much, and baked on carbon is a lot harder to remove than any grease or Cosmoline.

Just take your bolt apart, remove the firing pin and extracter carefully and then spray everything down with Goo Gone or Goof Off citrus cleaner.

Give the solvent a couple of minutes to work, then scrub everything down with a toothbrush, a worn out bore brush and some Q-tips or pipe cleaners.

After the solvent and scrubbing have removed all the crud, scrub your cleaning tools with some Dawn dishwashing detergent and use them to have at the bolt and it's related parts again with Dawn and hot water till you've got the solvent removed and everything is down to clean bare metal.

While doing all this, keep a sharp eye out for small pieces of debris such as steel or brass shavings from cartridge cases and brass "plugs" from pierced or "popped" primers. Debris of this nature can cause your firing pin to stick, which can cause your weapon to slamfire (possibly even a "full auto" mag dump) when you drop the bolt.
Conversely, the extra friction might also cause your weapon to misfire when you pull the trigger.

After disassembly and cleaning, use compressed air to blow any leftover water out of the recesses of the bolt and then finish off by heating the bolt and it's parts for a couple of minutes with a blow dryer to ensure that everything is bone dry and warm enough to assist in coating things with a light, even layer of good quality, non gumming oil (I like Mobil1 5w20).

Once you've got the metal protected, carefully examine the parts for damage. Look for a worn extractor (you can Google for pics of both good and worn out extractors), a weak extractor spring, and also ensure that the tip of your firing pin is well rounded, with no pitting or other deformation.

You should also look for shiny wear spots on the firing pin and within it's channel, since these can be indicators of a bent firing pin.

Doing a proper disassembly and cleaning of your bolt may not be the easiest way to rid it of Cosmoline, but it's the safest and most effective way. "Cooking" your bolt or paying someone else to dunk your rifle in a solvent bath isn't going to remove solid pieces of debris from inside your bolt or reveal a bent firing pin.

Disassembly will also help you learn more about how your rifle works and assist you in making any needed repairs in the future.
 
You can take the bolt and put it in mineral spirits and soak for a day or two, then put into a pot of water and boil it and that will clean the rest of the cosmoline out. Ive done this to every SKS ive owned and it works great and ive never had any problems.


I feel bad for people that say the triggers are terrible on SKS's. I was in that camp too actually up until my last one. It is a Romanian SKS that has a trigger on par with my 1968 Browning BAR in 30-06. I can get 4 inch groups at 100 yards using irons and Tula ammo. Thats accurate enough for me. I could probably use a thinner front sight to tighten that up but i have a fiber optic peep sight on it that i wouldnt trade for the world.
 
The SKS is what it is: One of thw worlds classic military carbines. Love it for what it is, and live with it. It's not a target rifle, it's not an AK-47, and it's not an aesthetic beauty...... Your "improvements" aren't. Clean one well, and shoot it as-is. ....


Willie

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No truer words have been spoken about the SKS...
The biggest problem with buying a SKS right now is at best it's a $250 rifle, not a $300-$500 rifle.
 
I had the Kivarri trigger and the improved bolt/sprung firing pin done on amine, and they are both worth it. But more worth it on a rifle you paid $100 for.

Mine has been an endless project, and I like it, because I bought it with a project in mind. But it would have made more sense to just buy an AK.
 
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