Small base dies for 308 in an AR

Thanks for all of the replies. I'll just have to see how it goes I guess.
Another point, if you do not own dies, there is no downside to buying a die set with a small base sizer. I've never seen shorter case life with small base dies.

I understand if you already have a die set, there may be some resistance to buying an additional die.

Knowing that you could have chambering problems with reloaded ammunition in gas guns lets you work to prevent problems and know what to do when you do have problems.
 
I had to buy a small base die to get range pickup 308 brass to fit in my xbolt. It has a tight chamber. It was a lot cheaper than the advice I was given here of "go buy new brass"
 
I guess I could offer up for sale one or both of the die sets I have and get the small base ......
Yes you could..... Lots of choices, here's one:

RCBS AR Series smallbase die set.jpg

or you could just get a small base sizer for $39 and use one of your own seaters you already have, unless you want that taper crimp for your AR. Link to just the sizer below:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018128118?pid=597261

Below is a batch of LC machinegunned brass that I did a couple of years ago with my smallbase sizer. I will suggest if you have some of that stuff, that the initial sizing be done with a single stage press, and with the best lube you can find. I first tried imperial wax and that did not cut it.......ended up using RCBS's lube pad lube which made the strokes twice as easy....not as easy as commercial brass even still, but doable, without fears of sticking a case, like I would have done had I insisted in muscling the Imperial. I Know that would have turned out badly.....I've stuck brass before, and I know when I'm close......it pays to learn from past mistakes. (Yes it was wet tumbled so there was even more friction.)

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My first 223 Rem (actually 5.56 Nato) rifle is a Colt Match Target. I bought an RCBS standard die set for it and all was well with cases shot in my rifle.

At a Service Rifle Match, a fellow competitor was short of ammunition so I offered some. The fellow accepted and then his gun jammed, not chambering my ammunition.

We discussed a bit on match chambers and various rifles.

Shortly there after, I bought a CMP Compass Lake Match AR-15. Shooting reloads previously fired in the Colt would not chamber in the Compass Lake. Hmmmm.

Besides the RCBS sizer, I bought a Redding standard sizing die and the issues caused by the RCBS sizer went away.

After some investigation I found that lots of folks don’t have issues with chambering but have not experienced problems. But problems are there.

In my opinion, my problems with the RCBS sizer are due to tolerance error. The die is probably cut on the large size while the chambers are cut on the small size.

With measuring equipment I have (calipers and micrometers) I can’t see a measurable difference in cases that chamber and cases that do not.

With better measuring tools, the difference may be noticeable but the cost of the measuring equipment may be more than an average reloader is willing to spend.

In my opinion, particularly with 223 Rem/5.56 Nato rifles, the tolerance allowance is more variable between chambers, ammunition and sizing dies. This along with the large number of rifles chambered in the cartridge can lead to insufficient sizing and the associated chambering problems.

What one does with the knowledge and knows what to do with the knowledge is key to making things work.

Bottom line, reloading for gas guns is not as cut and dried as reloading for most other popular cartridges.
 
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I am just starting loading for ARs (a stock 5.56 AR-15 and a custom LR-308 in .243) and the way I see it, if you already have regular dies, and they work, great. Keep it up. BUT, if you don't already have dies, and you're just starting out, why not just jump straight to small-base dies if you know they are likely to solve a common problem?
 
Good plan, at the very least we need to check the first few of sized cases for fit in the new/different barrel/chamber.

I did that for my new 6 creed barrel a couple months ago - not even sized, just FIRED cases from the last barrel. They closed, so I loaded. Then the wheels fell off when I was breaking in the barrel - my palm was bruised before I even got 1/3 the way through burning in. Back to the bench, pulled down the rest I had loaded, SB’d everything, no more problems the next day. On the second firing now of that batch, back to the standard Type S sizer, and no issues at all in second firing - but that first firing lied to me about wanting to fit, big time! :confused::cuss: So I’m back to “small base for every new barrel”.


or… of course… new brass for every barrel…
 
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Anybody tried a Lee sizing die? I was always under the impression that they are as close to small base die as possible.
 
I've used a standard sizing die from Redding for my 223/5.56 ARs with factory and loads of range pick up brass 99% of which is mil spec.
 
Yeah, I got that. It should have it as standard as you so eloquently put it. My question was if anyone has tried a Lee die instead of a small base die. I.e. actual experience and not sales talk.
 
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