Small caliber automatic mouseguns....what's the attraction?

[KMKeller]

BHP9:

Know quite well through testing with numerous top pistol shooters that very small double action automatics are about impossible to hit with any regularity much beyond a few feet (3 or 4 feet max).

Not buying this for a second. My wife, son and I took a few pistols to the local range this weekend. Included in the selection was a Beretta .21a in .25ACP. Rapid fire put all rounds in a 4 inch circle at 21 feet. Aimed fire shot at 1 inch. My wife managed to put 3 mags into a 6 inch group, and it was the first time she had ever shot it. So I'll have to disagree with your "top pistol shooters" as to the accuracy of small autos. Of course, mine is a DA/SA.

 

[Gerald McDonald]

Wondernine, I hope you gave more thought to the mouse gun issue than you did about your statement saying that ND is as hot as other climes in the south. Doesnt hold much water when you consider the average for Austin Tx is 107 days a year of 90+ temps with an average 70% humidty. Worst temps that show for ND were around 26 days of +90 with maybe 4 or 5 of +100. Here we will pull 10 or 15 100 degrees in a row with the miniumum never getting below 85 or so. Maybe 20 to 30 over 100 degrees. Big difference, you pull southern winds from the deserts of Mexico and mix with gulf coast breeze and you get that 70% humidity where sweat no longer works. You probably get a hot day every now and then but trust me, its not the same. And I have been there. It would be more believable if you were posting from souther Az or Ca.

 

[George Hill]

"Know quite well through testing with numerous top pistol shooters that very small double action automatics are about impossible to hit with any regularity much beyond a few feet (3 or 4 feet max)."



LOL... Someone needs to stop reading so many gun rags and websites and actually get out and go shooting more often.


Hey, that's not a bad idea.
I have a box of 9MM, some time, and a place to shoot 5 minutes in any direction.

I'm outta here!

 

[Blackhawk]

Know quite well through testing with numerous top pistol shooters that very small double action automatics are about impossible to hit with any regularity much beyond a few feet (3 or 4 feet max).

Never considered myself to be a top pistol shooter or that everybody I've let try out my P-32 was as well, but I guess we are. Nobody's had any trouble getting or keeping 8" groups at 21 feet and 6" groups are very common. In fact, my favorite P-32 shot is between the eyes of a silhouette target at 50 feet.

Can we show up somewhere and get "Top Shooter" wall plaques, certificates or something like them to brag about...?

 

[MJRW]

6 posts in a row and 13 posts in a row by wondernine all in the same thread. Maybe wondernine should get his own forum where no one else is allowed to post.

 

[10-Ring]

I can carry my Jefire easily & more often than anything else. Would I rather carry anything larger...of course, but sometimes, less is more!

 

[Darrin]

Originally posted by BLUNDERWHINE
Makes plently of sense to us all....and after all....it's not like any of us haven't heard that saying a thousand times before

Good, you have heard it. Do you actually understand what it means?

Ever heard this phrase? "Too each his own."

Anywho, I see your and raise you 2.

 

[JohnBT]

28 OUNCES? That's a big honker.

Pics at...

http://members.tripod.com/~Slippery_Jim/Single-Shot-Pistols/COP_357.htm

www.racprops.com/issue4/leonsgun/cop357_2.htm

And from...

http://home.earthlink.net/~scrhymer/section1.htm

...an Evaluation:

"The COP is a favorite backup weapon for police officers and also as an issue weapon for the CIA.
It is often preferred over the Glock and Beretta by many agents for undercover or assassination work."

 

[Wildalaska]

No claims here that a .25 is ineffective, just that a heavy rock is more so

Good then there is no need for guns, we can just pack a rock..

WADR...get real....

Then why do you need mags that hold more than ten rounds

You dont

WildthisisastupidthreadAlaska

 

[cratz2]

Yep, but that's just the obvious....I get tired of hearing it in every mousegun thread

Man... I was dismissed! I admit it is not original and quite uninspired but consider it. I am a 1911 nut. I've been shooting them my entire shooting life. I recently made the switch from a 1911 for carry to a Kahr P9 Covert. Why? Because I found myself leaving the 1911 at home and carrying only the P32 that I originally bought as a backup gun. I absolutely assure you that I am not the only person on this forum (or probably even on this thread) that has made this same transition. Full size guns are bulky. Regardless of what Mr Marshall says, many folks consider the 9mm less effective than the 45ACP. If you're going to have something that is less effective than your first choice, why not make it as convinient as possible. The P32 is small, trim, think, light weight, easily goes in most any pocket and is more effective than any rock that you can pick up quickly, I promise.

As to the original question in this thread, I agree. If you can carry a average weight 32ACP, you can probably carry something a bit more effective just as easily. But the P32 is inexpensive, reliable and very confinient. The Glock 26/27 is not as much so nor are the standard size Kahrs. I cannot put my P9 Covert in my front pocket and forget about it, but I can my P32.

Just my opinion. Doesn't count for much.

 

[Gerald McDonald]

I wonder where I get an IWB for a rock, might work pretty good as a backup for my brick.

 

[Darrin]

I wonder where I get an IWB for a rock, might work pretty good as a backup for my brick.

Not sure about the IWB, but an ankle holster is available at www.hidden.rocks.in.your.pants.com

 

[kalibear45]

I like my mousegun!

 

[mercedesrules]

The COP is a favorite backup weapon for police officers and also as an issue weapon for the CIA. It is often preferred over the Glock and Beretta by many agents for undercover or assassination work.

MR

 

[Blackhawk]

mercedesrules, that's from the "Q Manual" as in James Bond's gadget wizard. The reviews and comments are mildly tongue-in-cheek, but I found them nearly hilarious!

 

[Navy joe]

My mousegun is a Kahr MK40, small as it gets. Hits the same spot every time too, not one POA for each barrel. I usually rotate between 1911, BHP, or Glock 17/34. People that carry little guns are just too lazy to carry something effective. I realize I am on the extreme side of large guns, but plenty of smaller better choices exist.

Reloads for a derringer? Do you prefer a plain stick or a tactical black one to push the empties out? Must be fast. All in stride for someone who thinks firearms development reached it's pinnacle with the COP derringer.

 

[Gerald McDonald]

Too lazy, naw, just dont care what others think of my choice.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

My pocketcarries are a Taurus PT-22 and a KelTec P-32. For the times I need them, they are invaluable to me. Disappear in a front or back pocket, and I remain armed where I used to forego carrying. Derringers are useless to me, and in any heavy caliber they are practically unshootable. The P3AT looks promising, but when? I looked at the P-32 and the NAA Guardian .380. The Guardian was nice, but was extremely heavy and was $150 more. The P-32 was the best option for me, and so far I'm happy about it, and can shoot it quite accurately.

 

[WonderNine]

Wondernine, the reason I dont carry a 357 in my fron pocket is the same reason I dont carry a full size 1911 in my front pocket. It doesnt fit worth a darn. Take a pair of jeans, add one set of office keys,car keys,house keys (12 keys in all) in the right pocket put a Case sowbelly along with money clip and spare change in left pocket. Add one 357 and I got a bulge like long John Holmes.

You're talking about .357 snubbies.

I'm talking about .357 mouseguns.

 

[WonderNine]

Wonder Nine, I guess I can't argue with you about the weather in North Dakota... I have never been to ND, so I will just take your word for it that it is as hot and humid there as it is in, say South Florida...

Are you really sure though that you have as many hot days as Orlando? You know that from May to October nearly every day breaks 95 down there.

As for carrying your Kahr IWB, doesnt it show when you have your shirt tucked in?

I do not believe that normal fitting pants would allow me to carry a Kahr in a pocket holster without printing. How exactly do you get away with that?

I never said that we have the same average temperature as Florida. If you go back and read my post I simply stated that we have Summer too. And that our tempurature EXTREMES are actually greater than yours. We definately have long months of 90-100 degree heat. And sometimes we see much hotter. And we do have plenty of humidity.

Printing? You've got to be kidding me. Everything prints. The point is the gun is with you and it fits in your pocket. If you're worried about a little bulge showing in your front pocket, than maybe CCW isn't for you.

 

[WonderNine]

Wonder Nine, why didn't you name your post "I want to bash all carry guns except mine."?
That would have been more accurate.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. As you've read, I like the Kahr MK9's and the Rohrbaughs and the larger caliber derringers. So why would I name my post "I want to bash everything else"

I have a PM9 as a front pocket gun.

Tell that to Lone_Gunman, he seems to think what we do everyday is impossible.

 

[George Hill]

COP .357. Glorified Derringer.
Sure, they are Da' Bomb...
Until you drop it and all 4 barrels fire at the same time. Generally back up in your direction.
Nice. Seems like the perfect gun... for the other guy.

 

[WonderNine]

Wondernine, I hope you gave more thought to the mouse gun issue than you did about your statement saying that ND is as hot as other climes in the south. Doesnt hold much water when you consider the average for Austin Tx is 107 days a year of 90+ temps with an average 70% humidty. Worst temps that show for ND were around 26 days of +90 with maybe 4 or 5 of +100. Here we will pull 10 or 15 100 degrees in a row with the miniumum never getting below 85 or so. Maybe 20 to 30 over 100 degrees. Big difference, you pull southern winds from the deserts of Mexico and mix with gulf coast breeze and you get that 70% humidity where sweat no longer works. You probably get a hot day every now and then but trust me, its not the same.

Oh really? Well then I guess that 94 degree day we had last week was the start of it. When does our "26 days of 90+ degree heat" end? May 14th? Then I guess we start settling into Winter right?

You really shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about. Such as North Dakota weather for instance.

 

[WonderNine]

6 posts in a row and 13 posts in a row by wondernine all in the same thread. Maybe wondernine should get his own forum where no one else is allowed to post.

Are you new to computers and message forums?

 

[WonderNine]

Good then there is no need for guns, we can just pack a rock..

Who said that? Did I say that? I don't recall saying that.

Just a need for BETTER guns, that's all.

Then why do you need mags that hold more than ten rounds

you don't

Then why are you posting in the handgun forum. Civilized sporting gentleman such as yourself only use fine Italian shotguns.