Small Game Hunting - 22LR choice?

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I guess I'm going to have to poke around at my local gun club and see if anyone has a lever action 22 they are willing to let me shoot at the range. I've never shot a lever action 22 or any rifle caliber for that matter... just a replica / knock off 1887 12GA and it felt like it nearly took my arm off.

I still think I want a bolt gun and the Savage FV-SR seems like it would be a great upgrade from my old 64F Semi loader.. ???

Also I just put in a form 2 and bought a rebel SOS 22 supressor...

Soooo....... for a grand total of like $550-600 I can have a relatively accurate, reliable, and quiet 22 with a 6-20x50 scope that I already have... should put a hurting on some chicken coop invaders....
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Does my thinking above sound reasonable?

Definitely try a lever action rimfire if you can. However, since you already own the 6-20x50 scope, and a supressor is on its way, the Savage is going to be more suited to the type of shooting you probably prefer compared to what a lever is best at.
 
That would be too much scope for me at .22 LR hunting ranges but I can't speak for anyone else.

I like the magnification personally, but your right... at 20X its hard to shoot without a bi-pod due to my natural lack of stability. I'm not some super great shooter with years of military back ground.. just some guy protecting his flock. So I need as many aids for these shots as I can get.
 
Just and update for everyone..

I tried a Henry silver eagle lever action the other day at my local range. I walked up to a guy I noticed shooting some 22lr and a lever gun and asked him If he would be interested in trying my 7.62x39 if I can try his lever 22lr and he said "Heck ya"... haha I love how friendly gun fanatics are.

It shot and cycled well, (I have no professional opinion or anything), however he told me it was like a $600 gun and I was sticker shocked lol. Price aside I'm pretty sure a bolt gun is for me as well as something like that Savage Mark II FV-SR and some subsonic ammo.

I did also look a few magazines for that gun and it looks like I could easily braze or mig the back channel and make it flawless (no side panel flex).

And, no I have not seen a CZ yet, but I'm still looking for someone who has one that I can try a dozen rounds through.

Just a quick update if you cared.
- Ron.
 
I have posted this before but...
As we are talking accuracy I thought this might be interesting. Sure this is only a 25 yard (75 foot) target and only a ten round group and oh look it is not a single ragged hole. It is however as you can see from the insert a group that had it been zeroed would have scored all shots breaking nine and a good number breaking ten.

Oh by they way.....every round was a different brand, type, or bullet weight. Everything from 34 grain go very fast plated HP to 40 grain round nose lead outside lube subsonic match and all points in between.

Squirrel shot to the head at 25 yards.....with pretty much whatever I put in my little Anshutz. No doubt this group will open up un acceptably at longer range ( why all ten DIFFERENT rounds would barely be in the black of a 100 yard small bore target!)but the point is that a good barrel makes a difference in a rifle.

It might be interesting to duplicate this test with a Henry lever gun or any of the lower priced bolt guns.....they might actually do better.....they might, but we do not know.

I know I am happy with my little bolt gun which I paid $69 and change for new with cheap 3/4 inch friction adjustment scope in about 1974 in Neu Ulm W. Germany while barely making $400 a month (actually not making that much IIRC) as a Private First Class. Lot of RWS50 went through that little gun before it had to settle for whatever was cheapest at the grocery store back home.

-kBob
 

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I've had a few decades, 3 1/2 or so, plinking with .22s and chasing squirrels. Coming from a family that hunts and being the only right-handed member exposed me to a fair amount of rifles as well. That list would include the Browning SA-22, Henry 001, Ruger 10/22 (and 10/22 TD), Rossi single shot, Savage Cub, Savage Rascal, Marlin 60, Marlin 25N, CZ 452, Browning BLR, and a dozen or so others.

I've tried Federal/CCI/Remington bulk, Aguila Subsonic/SSHP/Rifle Match/Pistol Match, Mini-Mag/ MMHP, CCI Standard Velocity, Rem. Target 22, Federal Auto Match, Gold Medal, GM Match, RWS Subsonic, several flavors of SKS and Lapua, Winchesters of all sort, and a few I can't recall.

I know there is a science and art, if you will, to shooting .22lr accurately and while I give myself some credit for technique, I don't set wind flags or generally measure group sizes. What is generally observed is tight group or not so tight group and few are the combos that work extremely well.

Of all those I have tried, my old Marlin 25N and my CZ 452 have recorded the best groups of the lot. 5 rounds the size of my thumbnail at 50 yards with a 7X scope repeatedly. All of these groups look impossibly large when compared to the benchrest rifles handled by true marksmen at my range, but they've thrown me a compliment or two for having a $225 set up (my Marlin, including scope, rest and bags) that shoots that straight.

With access to a smith that can thread the barrel, I'd place confidence in the used market without hesitation. If not, all 3 of my Savages shoot well enough to do what you describe and on a budget. I currently own more than a dozen .22s and all of them are more accurate than I am.
 
I currently own more than a dozen .22s and all of them are more accurate than I am.

I'm hoping to be in the same ballpark, don't get me wrong I've taken thousands of small game animals i my life and I'm only 25, but by far am I no "marksman".
- I just enjoy the thrill of the hunt.

I've kicked around the idea of a used CZ vs a New savage, However I like the idea of a factory warranty. Yes I know the chances are small of getting a "lemon", but I don't want to be stuck with something bad.
I have had first hand experience with my Benelli SuperBlack eagle II and warranty issues, thank the lord it was warrantied cause I bought it new.
- Know that I'm not knocking Benelli, they were super professional and gave me a whole new SBEII and a voucher for some ammo, IMO Benelli is the best for someone average like me.

My main point is I'm no super shooter and I'm afraid of getting scammed on a used gun that I want to use almost every night for the next 40 years...
- with that being said I'm still trying to line up a shooting session with a 22LR CZ to "get a feel" for it and examine the construction.

I appreciated everyones comments and please keep them coming, stories welcome :)
- Ron.
 
That is something I had not seen brought up....ammo. I have some guns that just LOVE one flavor of ammo and others will be all over paper with that same stuff, but just love a different flavor....so it is not a bad gun.

So many bullet weights and types then you get into just how fast the bullet goes....so take that all into things.

I would bet for the OP's original question you are going to find many people suggesting the Savage....they really are just amazing guns...not for what they cost...they are really very good.

I am not impressed with the American....it just feels more...rough, clunky....not sure what vs the savage side by side....I felt it did not shoulder as well also.

Add to that I like plastic guns for bumming around in the woods.

As to the side discussion on some of the other things....I think CZ makes great rifles, and are at that edge of something to pass down, they also shoot darn well.

I also have not such a glowing view of Henry....they are a fun toy but that is about it....I have never even see at my local club someone using one in a small bore match....now I have seen a 9422...but never a henry....I just don't think they are that good.
 
I think for pest control where you need a reliable and quick handling gun that needs to be shot in the dark on moving targets where quick follow up shots will be needed, I think I would get a ruger 10/22 and a 2-7 scope with an illuminated retical.
 
A few of those targets from the Marlin taken a couple years ago after adding an inexpensive Nikon 2-7 (50 yds).

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A few more with some perspective of the targets, this is one of the 4 off to the side and are nearly obscured by the duplex reticle of the scope when sighting the shot.

Not "one ragged hole" as some say, but small enough to ring a coyote's bell. In 26 years of shooting it, I've never had a failure (excepting a few dud rounds). Not bad for a sub-$100 rifle and you can probably tell by the color of my skin it was cold that day (-7 iirc).

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I think for pest control where you need a reliable and quick handling gun that needs to be shot in the dark on moving targets where quick follow up shots will be needed, I think I would get a ruger 10/22 and a 2-7 scope with an illuminated retical.

My view except I'm a Model 60 person.
 
My view except I'm a Model 60 person.

I've never had one so I can't recommend one but I've never heard a bad word about a model 60. From the groups posted above I might just have to pick one up! That's better than any of the 10-22's I've shot.
 
Model 60 vs 10/22 is a ford/chevy scenario to me. If I were doing a lot of mods I'd get a 10/22. To shoot right out of the box with no mods it would be a Model 60. My Model 60 has had a trigger job though, from a guy on Rimfire Central called ArrowDodger.
 
You should jump on one of those CZ 452s at Bud's. They have to be some of the last remaining 452s, since the line was discontinued. Mine is wickedly accurate.

Also, I think you might find that you shoot less accurately with 20x magnification. I have a 4-12x on mine. I almost always leave it dialed down to 6x, where the crosshairs don't jump around as much for me. Just a thought. Someday, I plan to replace it with a 2-7x.
 
Do not know whether you can find one now for $300, but I would get a CZ-452. With ammo they like they are tack drivers with a great trigger.
 
Model 60 vs 10/22 is a ford/chevy scenario to me. If I were doing a lot of mods I'd get a 10/22. To shoot right out of the box with no mods it would be a Model 60. My Model 60 has had a trigger job though, from a guy on Rimfire Central called ArrowDodger.

This is it...if you want a gun to work out of the box get a model 60, if you want to work on it to get it to shoot straight out of the box buy all the aftermarket parts you can lay your hands on for a 10/22 and spend about 10x the price of a "good" rifle, and build yourself a good rifle....I would not say ford vs chevy....more like ford vs yugo....chevy vs trabant perhaps.

(doG how I hate 10/22's the most over rated pile of _____)....

sorry.....sorry....I just go off the deep end sometimes.

IMHO if you want new and an automatic as well as inexpensive, do a model 60, if you want new and cheap do a 10/22 (oops there I go again)....now if you want used and really fun, very little weight, but getting stupid spendy now try to find a Nylon 66, or the CRC...CDC....I don't remember the knock off of the 66, those are so great for hauling around the woods....they weigh nothing, shoot great (they are used so YMMV) Just a hoot. I generally do bolt guns but if I take an autoloader I grab the Nylon....I just love that thing.
 
Do not know whether you can find one now for $300, but I would get a CZ-452. With ammo they like they are tack drivers with a great trigger.

And if you want a better trigger hunt down a 453....I so wish I had bought one.....and if one ever crosses my path I will snag that sucker in a hot minute.
 
You should jump on one of those CZ 452s at Bud's. They have to be some of the last remaining 452s, since the line was discontinued. Mine is wickedly accurate.

Also, I think you might find that you shoot less accurately with 20x magnification. I have a 4-12x on mine. I almost always leave it dialed down to 6x, where the crosshairs don't jump around as much for me. Just a thought. Someday, I plan to replace it with a 2-7x.
Bud's Beech stocked 452 is $371. The walnut stocked guns run over $400 but I haven't seen any chambered for 22LR.

I guess I have been spoiled by owning a couple of rimfire rifles that were pretty awesome. Unfortunately I sold them. Now I have been trying to find a 22 that will pass my criteria, but no luck yet. Tried a Marlin XT-22, a Zastava CZ-99, a wood stocked Ruger American and none passed the test. Now I am playing with a Ruger 10/22. Need to put a BX trigger in it. The original is yuck. I can't believe that the major manufactures can't make a tack driver on a regular bases. All of them will have one once in a great while, but unless you want to spend the kids inheritance, you have to go through several to find that one that is special.
 
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